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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    Likewise, I will point out that the EN version of the story is the only one that mentions souls. This is the problem with dissecting lore when localizers add or omit things from the original text. As I recall, this was the only 'evidence' the new life had souls. It would seem that even the mighty Zodiark was incapable of creating them.
    Yes in the short story in german there is no mention of souls but Hermes still tells us in the quests that they subdivide beings between living beings and magical beings. Living beings have souls that the body gets if its fitting for a soul while magcial beings are soulless. Nature itselfs seemingly creates these souls, while Ancients cant.

    It makes imo perfectly sense that a lot of these new lifes would have souls since we know that a lot of the beings the ancients created still exist on our planet today. This could only happen if they got reborn since most of the world was destroyed by the final days.

    Its also a bit funny that in the english version of the short story Emet talks about the islanders while in german he calls them "mortals that will hide in primitive shelters".
    So should we now believe the english version or is the german the right one and gives us the first hint that not every person was a Ancient with creation power?

    Honestly for me the mortal part even makes sense since if every single person on the planet had creation power why was Azem even needed? Why would first Venat and then our Azem travel around the world to help, sometimes even needing someone like Emet as support? Why would the people of the island not simply use their aether to solve the problem itself?

    Maybe Amaurot really was just the place with the strongest ancients and a lot of other people living on the planet where much weaker. (Which would make it even more horrifiying that they somehow created so many huge dangerous beasts on Elpis..)

    (Just a bit of a rambling at the end)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Honestly for me the mortal part even makes sense since if every single person on the planet had creation power why was Azem even needed? Why would first Venat and then our Azem travel around the world to help, sometimes even needing someone like Emet as support? Why would the people of the island not simply use their aether to solve the problem itself?

    Maybe Amaurot really was just the place with the strongest ancients and a lot of other people living on the planet where much weaker. (Which would make it even more horrifiying that they somehow created so many huge dangerous beasts on Elpis..)
    In the Tempest, they talk several times about the Final Days phenomenon with creation magic gone awry affecting other, unrelated civilizations, so it's pretty clear that it wasn't something exclusive to Amaurot.

    Anyway, if you do all of the random side-quests in Elpis, it becomes pretty clear that just having creation magic doesn't make you powerful in terms of combat. A few of the researchers openly say they're conscripting you to go murder stuff because they're afraid they'd get hurt if they tried themselves.

    There's also that line about the Amaurotines having "tamed the wilderness", which seems to imply there's something dangerous out there which they didn't create themselves. Presumably, if the Unsundered World evolved humans with incredibly strong magic powers, there could also have been some incredibly powerful natural monsters causing problems. We know they at least had unwanted fauna because of the Cubus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurina View Post
    In the Tempest, they talk several times about the Final Days phenomenon with creation magic gone awry affecting other, unrelated civilizations, so it's pretty clear that it wasn't something exclusive to Amaurot.

    Anyway, if you do all of the random side-quests in Elpis, it becomes pretty clear that just having creation magic doesn't make you powerful in terms of combat. A few of the researchers openly say they're conscripting you to go murder stuff because they're afraid they'd get hurt if they tried themselves.
    Oh I know that it was affecting others too. We did get a side quest where two people discuss if they want to help these outside of Amaurot or if those should bascially solve the problem themselves. Its not 100% clear to me if the Amaurotines just waited until it was knocking on their doors to find a solution or if the solution simply took so long that they could not do anything for the other regions.

    Its also still open if these other regions also had Ancients like the ones in Amaurotines living there or if maybe other races already existed.

    And yes we had to kill these creations for the researchers. Some of them wanted to observe how we handle it (they are taking our possible death into account) and others simply are not good enough. I do kinder wonder why Ancients are allowed to summon creatures though that they cant handle.

    Anyway most of my questions will probably remain unanswered. I am not even sure if we will ever know what Azem was up at the time of the Final Days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Oh I know that it was affecting others too. We did get a side quest where two people discuss if they want to help these outside of Amaurot or if those should bascially solve the problem themselves. Its not 100% clear to me if the Amaurotines just waited until it was knocking on their doors to find a solution or if the solution simply took so long that they could not do anything for the other regions.

    Its also still open if these other regions also had Ancients like the ones in Amaurotines living there or if maybe other races already existed.

    And yes we had to kill these creations for the researchers. Some of them wanted to observe how we handle it (they are taking our possible death into account) and others simply are not good enough. I do kinder wonder why Ancients are allowed to summon creatures though that they cant handle.

    Anyway most of my questions will probably remain unanswered. I am not even sure if we will ever know what Azem was up at the time of the Final Days.
    That's the whole premise of Pandemonium. Creatures too dangerous to let live, but too useful to outright destroy. Themis outright says so.

    https://garlandtools.org/db/#quest/70011
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    It houses those creations that are highly valued as research subjects...and highly dangerous to the star. Naturally, it is strictly guarded, and under constant surveillance.
    https://garlandtools.org/db/#quest/70012
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    Generally, creations that pose a threat to the safety of the star must be undone. However, the Words of Lahabrea has deemed certain such creations as worthy of further study, interring them within the facility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WellGramarye View Post
    That's the whole premise of Pandemonium. Creatures too dangerous to let live, but too useful to outright destroy. Themis outright says so.

    https://garlandtools.org/db/#quest/70011


    https://garlandtools.org/db/#quest/70012
    Yes and yet Behemoth and other huge dangerous creatures were seemingly fine enough to be released into the wilderness of the world. They really have a different view on what counts as too dangerous or not.
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