An Empty Vessel........

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Isn't blue mage boring already? Or maybe you just find fun to run old irrelevant duties and use a complete braindead rotation that makes dancer look like the hardest class in the history of MMORPG. The class is in a sad state, it hasn't received new content in fuck knows how long, but being able to solo old extreme trials is NOT boring, hmm? I wish they'd just delete this bastardized thing from the game.

Heck no, Bluemage is fun AF.
Its a niece job that was designed differently to maintain its identity while bringing in new additional content. It also proves that SE & the devs DO listen, they gave the fans what they wanted, but of course they took some artistic liberty to try and bring some new content instead of just another job. Bluemage gets updates as the game goes, but they keep it a teir or 2 behind because it really is an Overpowered job so they dont want to completely trivialize new content.
Im not bored of Bluemage at all and think its a great addition and hope to see cool new skills. And some improvements that could make it a better tank and healer.

Blue Mage does not belong in a streamlined game like FFXIV. It's just a fanservice request to appease the fans.

Amusingly...yeah. We only really got the job because it was requested as much as Viera.
Otherwise with how Bluemage functions, it was never going to be a normal casting job. It would have been EXTREMELY limited if they did.
That and it would be a Balancing nightmare if they tried to make it a normal job while making it be able to do all 3 roles.
If they couldnt get Arancist right as a Healer & DPS, I dont think they can get 3 roles with Bluemage. No insults, but I think they made the right call, for their sake.

[Deveryn]

Isn't blue mage boring already? Or maybe you just find fun to run old irrelevant duties and use a complete braindead rotation that makes dancer look like the hardest class in the history of MMORPG. The class is in a sad state, it hasn't received new content in fuck knows how long, but being able to solo old extreme trials is NOT boring, hmm? I wish they'd just delete this bastardized thing from the game.

spoken like someone that never tried any of the extreme / savage content or even carnivale.

[NekoMataMata]

I need to work on BLU at some point. I had a friend help me up to 44 and then we never finished leveling it up to 70(and he quit at some point).

I've been thinking about just grinding out all the spells and maybe doing some of the quests I have left in-game as blu(if that even works).

[TheMightyMollusk]

Reminds me, I still need to finish the 70 quest and pick up Angel Whisper. I have little to no plan to do much else with BLU, but I'd at least like to finish that.

[Midareyukki]

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I've seen takes on Blue Mage that frankly could fit. The way they designed it for 14 was very obviously centered around the Learn mechanic... which isn't always how Blue Magic is learned. Nor does it need to be a gameplay aspect; it could very well be featured in cutscenes than be its main defining trait. It should have been designed around "Using enemy skills", but...

While I agree that 14's BLU is fun for what it is, I disagree that this should keep being "BLU". That's its "sin": it's fun, but it'd be way more accepted had it not been called Blue Mage. It feels like it was designed to test Eureka's Logos Actions, barely anything more.

As for Balancing Nightmare... here's the deal. Objectively speaking, a lot of skills had to be adapted to fit 14's gameplay style. Take Dark Knight; if you joined back in HSW you'd know that the class consumed MP almost constantly for as long as you had a stance up. It was removed in Stormblood and repurposed to it being "spell-like" and have MP be consumed to perform abilities. It was redone for the sake of consistency, as it sucked having to stance change just to get one MP point to use a skill. Now it operates like PLD and consumes MP in predictable ways.
Yet this is how DRK is meant to be: constantly sapping you of an important resource. And on other games within the franchise, it's not MP DRK syphons, it's HP. But good luck doing that as a tank xD

That got repurposed just fine, and not everything needed to be included on BLU. A lot of people point to Self-Destruct as an example of "non-adaptable". Yes... if you put it as-is, it's going to break the class and make it too awkward within the game. But a) it doesn't need to be featured in. And b) if it has to, why can't it just be the animation of an explosion as you whittle your MP to 0 for it, and then get it back with another skill? Yes, too similar to BLM's Flare skills, but it'd be a decent enough adaptation of the skill. It's all about imagination, as well as thinking outside the box.

Especially when the box is labelled "Learn".

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I've seen takes on Blue Mage that frankly could fit. The way they designed it for 14 was very obviously centered around the Learn mechanic... which isn't always how Blue Magic is learned. Nor does it need to be a gameplay aspect; it could very well be featured in cutscenes than be its main defining trait. It should have been designed around "Using enemy skills", but...

While I agree that 14's BLU is fun for what it is, I disagree that this should keep being "BLU". That's its "sin": it's fun, but it'd be way more accepted had it not been called Blue Mage. It feels like it was designed to test Eureka's Logos Actions, barely anything more.

As for Balancing Nightmare... here's the deal. Objectively speaking, a lot of skills had to be adapted to fit 14's gameplay style. Take Dark Knight; if you joined back in HSW you'd know that the class consumed MP almost constantly for as long as you had a stance up. It was removed in Stormblood and repurposed to it being "spell-like" and have MP be consumed to perform abilities. It was redone for the sake of consistency, as it sucked having to stance change just to get one MP point to use a skill. Now it operates like PLD and consumes MP in predictable ways.
Yet this is how DRK is meant to be: constantly sapping you of an important resource. And on other games within the franchise, it's not MP DRK syphons, it's HP. But good luck doing that as a tank xD

That got repurposed just fine, and not everything needed to be included on BLU. A lot of people point to Self-Destruct as an example of "non-adaptable". Yes... if you put it as-is, it's going to break the class and make it too awkward within the game. But a) it doesn't need to be featured in. And b) if it has to, why can't it just be the animation of an explosion as you whittle your MP to 0 for it, and then get it back with another skill? Yes, too similar to BLM's Flare skills, but it'd be a decent enough adaptation of the skill. It's all about imagination, as well as thinking outside the box.

Especially when the box is labelled "Learn".

Ive been here since Heavensward. I got fully caught up by the time the Dragonsong War concluded. So yeah, Ive seen what DRK used to be, all the way to what it is now. Honestly, never liked the Job. I love its storyline, but never enjoyed playing it.
But anyway, I personally think Bluemage is Perfect where its at and how it functions. It should stay the way it is for the sake of Variety, plus I think its great to have a Niece OP job that can be used for Farming stuff.
They should just make a whole new caster in my opinion instead of reworking BLU and dealing with balancing it to take on 3 roles. Besides, if they do it to Bluemage, then People are gonna Clamour for it to happen to Redmage. I say begone with that mess.

Instead, Bring on Geomancer. They teased us with the idea in the AST storyline. Id rather see that job be created then Bluemage get changed into another Normal Job.

[Midareyukki]

Ive been here since Heavensward. I got fully caught up by the time the Dragonsong War concluded. So yeah, Ive seen what DRK used to be, all the way to what it is now. Honestly, never liked the Job. I love its storyline, but never enjoyed playing it.
But anyway, I personally think Bluemage is Perfect where its at and how it functions. It should stay the way it is for the sake of Variety, plus I think its great to have a Niece OP job that can be used for Farming stuff.
They should just make a whole new caster in my opinion instead of reworking BLU and dealing with balancing it to take on 3 roles. Besides, if they do it to Bluemage, then People are gonna Clamour for it to happen to Redmage. I say begone with that mess.

Instead, Bring on Geomancer. They teased us with the idea in the AST storyline. Id rather see that then Bluemage get changed into another Normal Job.

The DRK one was an example. A lot of people liked it, a lot of people hated it, but for what was worth, the example still sticks: they took something that functioned one way across the whole franchise and changed it to fit the game. Even if it took them a while to nail it. The same could have been done for Blue Mage, but they didn't try at all.

If you paid attention, you'd know GEO is CNJ but in Yanxian terms. It would look almost indistinguishable outside the occasional spell being written in Yanxian language. It's why we have our own WHM but then you have Y'shtola's "conjury" somehow do the AST bubble. They're different takes on the classes but share a basis. Meaning we're likely not getting GEO. But who knows if we'll one day get Beastmaster, since they teased that in Bozja and it doesn't look that similar to Arcanist.

I think RDM is fine. It's a job that got translated into a proper fully-fledged job on its own with its own identity. It didn't get bastardized like BLU was, so I don't really understand the analogy there. Nothing would happen to Red Mage.

Also... we farm stuff on BLU? Other than Fates?

[Anura]

spoken like someone that never tried any of the extreme / savage content or even carnivale.

You mean the old content that I specifically mentioned? And I fail to see how blue mage would be more fun to use in any savage or extreme because IT HAS A BORING ROTATION, like I said in my first comment. I know you have a thing for licking Square's boots, but that doesn't mean I'm not familiar with blue bastardized mage.

[keichirou]

If Red Mage, Summoner, and Dark Knight ended up becoming full jobs in this game there’s no reason the same couldn’t have been done for Blue Mage. Nowadays it seems like the job has been abandoned with it no longer taking up a place in the 6.X roadmap, to say nothing of other limited jobs. It seems like they’ve realized the concept wasn’t going to work out long term, or better yet, that turning classic Final Fantasy jobs like Blue Mage was only going to cause needless controversy that the game would be better off without.

honestly blu feels like bet and the person in question lost

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think RDM is fine. It's a job that got translated into a proper fully-fledged job on its own with its own identity. It didn't get bastardized like BLU was, so I don't really understand the analogy there. Nothing would happen to Red Mage.

It wasn't an analogy, Redmage is a Blend of White Mage and Black Mage with abit of Fencer in it (I forget if thats a job) so if Bluemage was redesigned and balanced to have 3 modes; Tank, Healer and Caster DPS, then people would probly want to do the same with other jobs, red mage for example...being remade with a Healer, Caster, and more of a Physical DPS mode. Sure call it silly, but if you've seen what people ask for in these forums, its not farfetched to think it would happen. And I think that would just be alot of trouble for something that might not work out too well, and it would take away from possibly better things.

Also... we farm stuff on BLU? Other than Fates?

Yes, Dungeons. Specifically for Relic and Moogletome Grinds. But also; as rare as they are, there are sometimes Mount Farms of all Bluemages.
Ran in a couple, loads of fun.