Why does everyone complain about STORY based MMO's?

[Raoabolic]

So just the players who are expecting to have something to productive to do every time they log in like MMOs of old who had long grinds that if you didn't log in everyday to do them you'd fall behind because the grinds build on each other. This game was never built to be like that and the pattern has been the same since HW(at least that's when I started playing was the pattern like that in ARR) you should be logging in because you want to, not because you feel like you have to.

*Looks at weekly raid rewards*
*Looks at daily roulettes with their sweet, sweet, exp bonus*
*Looks at the retainer system*
*Looks at the cactpot ticket that needs to be turned in*
*Looks at the wonderous tale book that needs to be turned in*
*Looks nervously at the broken auto-demolish switch that is getting replaced*
*laughs nervously*

[BRVV]

*Looks at weekly raid rewards*
*Looks at daily roulettes with their sweet, sweet, exp bonus*
*Looks at the retainer system*
*Looks at the cactpot ticket that needs to be turned in*
*Looks at the wonderous tale book that needs to be turned in*
*Looks nervously at the broken auto-demolish switch that is getting replaced*
*laughs nervously*

Also: Did you get your 4 swords from the raid to upgrade your weapon? Don't forget to get your weekly Aglaia Item!

[thegreatonemal]

*Looks at weekly raid rewards*
*Looks at daily roulettes with their sweet, sweet, exp bonus*
*Looks at the retainer system*
*Looks at the cactpot ticket that needs to be turned in*
*Looks at the wonderous tale book that needs to be turned in*
*Looks nervously at the broken auto-demolish switch that is getting replaced*
*laughs nervously*

You mean weekly raid rewards that you have half a year to get and most have their limit removed within 4 months?
Standard MMO daily that you don't even have to do if you don't want to/are done with leveling. Not everyone desires to hit level cap on all jobs
Inventory storage with a rng item collector, all of which are tradable on the market.
Optional weekly thing for mini game central.
Added incentive to do that content, keeps the wait times for them down, its also optional and you lose out on nothing as nothing unique comes from it.
The only thing that would compel you to log in, Once, every 45? Or is it 90 days. That takes what, five minutes to open up the game, log in, spawn and teleport to your house.

I guess if you're a obsessive about completing everything in the game these things might be an issue.

[Raoabolic]

You mean weekly raid rewards that you have half a year to get and most have their limit removed within 4 months?
Standard MMO daily that you don't even have to do if you don't want to/are done with leveling. Not everyone desires to hit level cap on all jobs
Inventory storage with a rng item collector, all of which are tradable on the market.
Optional weekly thing for mini game central.
Added incentive to do that content, keeps the wait times for them down, its also optional and you lose out on nothing as nothing unique comes from it.
The only thing that would compel you to log in, Once, every 45? Or is it 90 days. That takes what, five minutes to open up the game, log in, spawn and teleport to your house.

I guess if you're a obsessive about completing everything in the game these things might be an issue.

Wait, so are you saying you don't have to log on everyday or that you will miss out on some things if you don't log on everyday but not to worry? Your message is getting mixed m8, lol.

[Jojoya]

All I'm saying is, maybe the development team could throw more of a bone to those of us who actually want the game to be a game. We'll certainly see what 6.2 brings on that front, though it doesn't help to express one's thoughts on the subject. The relationship between a poster and the development team is not an intimate one. It's a customer and service provider.

Except the game is a game. You may feel like there's nothing worth doing but many others stay happily occupied.

What the game is not is a full time babysitter. There are a lot of posters who seem to be looking for that instead, something to keep them occupied all day every day. That's genuinely not healthy. That's more like addiction or codependency. They've become too reliant on the game for gaining some sort of measure of self-esteem or emotional support when that's not the purpose of a game.

If a player runs out of things they want to do, then they should take a break until new content comes out that interests them. If they feel the amount of that content isn't enough to justify paying $15 for a month's sub, then they should wait until there's even more before they return. That's part of being a smart consumer. Spend your money in a way that you feel you're getting best value.

*Looks at weekly raid rewards*
*Looks at daily roulettes with their sweet, sweet, exp bonus*
*Looks at the retainer system*
*Looks at the cactpot ticket that needs to be turned in*
*Looks at the wonderous tale book that needs to be turned in*
*Looks nervously at the broken auto-demolish switch that is getting replaced*
*laughs nervously*

Don't have to bother with weekly raid rewards if you don't want them (I don't).

Don't have to bother with daily roulettes if you don't want them (I rarely do, I mostly level alt jobs with tribal quests and hunt bills).

Don't have to bother with retainers if you don't want them (okay, this one I do a lot. I always have things to sell)

Don't have to bother with cactpot if you don't want to (I don't)

Don't have to bother with Wondrous Tails if you don't want to (I don't)

Not certain what you're referring to when you say auto-demolition is getting replaced. Either way, it makes no sense to be logging in to keep a house that you aren't using in a game you aren't playing. That's just being dumb.

Just because something exists does not mean it has to be done. Do what's enjoyable. Go do something else when you're done with what you enjoy.

[thegreatonemal]

Wait, so are you saying you don't have to log on everyday or that you will miss out on some things if you don't log on everyday but not to worry? Your message is getting mixed m8, lol.

You won't miss out on any of those things in fact the opposite is true, the longer you wait the quicker the grind, those limits are removed as time goes on remember. You're not compelled to do any of those thing except housing once every 90 days. There is no FOMO with this game like in other MMOs. The daily task are there to do if you want to.

[Absurdity]

You won't miss out on any of those things in fact the opposite is true, the longer you wait the quicker the grind, those limits are removed as time goes on remember. You're not compelled to do any of those thing except housing once every 90 days. There is no FOMO with this game like in other MMOs. The daily task are there to do if you want to.

In that case your previous statement.

So just the players who are expecting to have something to productive to do every time they log in like MMOs of old who had long grinds that if you didn't log in everyday to do them you'd fall behind because the grinds build on each other. This game was never built to be like that and the pattern has been the same since HW(at least that's when I started playing was the pattern like that in ARR) you should be logging in because you want to, not because you feel like you have to. If you've done everything you wanted to do than make a new form of entertainment, this is an MMO after all interact with people if you still feel the need to log in because you want to enjoy the game.

Makes no sense because if these daily/weekly grinds don't matter then why would it suddenly be a detriment if we had more of them? You're not compelled to do them after all.

[Restonance]

Why is it that the story simps can't fathom the idea that 200 hours of a visual novel with rpg elements akin to Fallout 4 is a bit excessive? My guy, Endwalker is AAA price and has a subscription fee on top of it. It's gonna get harder and harder to sell with every expansion that adds another 50 hours on top of it.

[Jojoya]

Why is it that the story simps can't fathom the idea that 200 hours of a visual novel with rpg elements akin to Fallout 4 is a bit excessive? My guy, Endwalker is AAA price and has a subscription fee on top of it. It's gonna get harder and harder to sell with every expansion that adds another 50 hours on top of it.

Why is it that the end game simps can't understand that this game is built around the story and not end game?

SE is aware that the length of the MSQ is becoming a deterrent to some new players who aren't familiar with story driven RPGs. They're working on a system to alleviate the problem and we'll probably see it introduced in 7.0.

It doesn't change that this is a story based MMORPG, not an end game based MMO. Those who dislike the game's base design would be better served by spending their money on a game designed to be what they're looking for. Story will continue to be a major factor in game design regardless of how some western players obsessed with western style MMOs like WOW feel.

[Absurdity]

It doesn't change that this is a story based MMORPG, not an end game based MMO. Those who dislike the game's base design would be better served by spending their money on a game designed to be what they're looking for. Story will continue to be a major factor in game design regardless of how some western players obsessed with western style MMOs like WOW feel.

There's a difference between a story based game and 50 hours of visual novel. Even the single player FF games had more actual gameplay than the Endwalker MSQ did.