The feeling of beeing Home ...

[TheMightyMollusk]

And once again, "people" can only think in extremes. I guess we either kill main characters left and right or give them all plot armor and make any encounter lose it's teeth since main characters can't die. And people wonder why entertainment is so stale and stagnant. lol

When anything else happens, people cry that it's a fakeout and it's cheap and they're pandering to the masses. Y'shtola gets wounded by Zenos and spends most of the expansion in recovery? Well, it's just a fakeout. Arenvald gets paralyzed? Well, they didn't kill him because they're pandering.

So basically people are gonna complain either way.

(Deliberately ignoring Ultima Thule, because honestly, the idea that anyone thought for even a fraction of a second that they were gonna actually kill off the Scions so abruptly, even without the plot device of Azem's crystal, is just laughable.)

[aveyond-dreams]

When anything else happens, people cry that it's a fakeout and it's cheap and they're pandering to the masses. Y'shtola gets wounded by Zenos and spends most of the expansion in recovery? Well, it's just a fakeout. Arenvald gets paralyzed? Well, they didn't kill him because they're pandering.

So basically people are gonna complain either way.

Yes. Having what looked like a death scene only to be brought back later is a fakeout. Y'shtola has had one per expansion. It has gotten tiresome. I agree that Arenvald shouldn't have been paralyzed. G'raha Tia should've died instead in 5.3 so he could take up the role of the party's second tank, and hopefully have some of that idealism of his dialed down by being humbled a bit over the course of the next expansion. We could've used the extra muscle more than yet another scholarly type.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Yes. Having what looked like a death scene only to be brought back later is a fakeout. Y'shtola has had one per expansion. It has gotten tiresome.

What exactly made it look like a death scene? Blood from the mouth? We saw that with Alisae fighting the Warriors of Darkness and she just got right back up. It's even shown in the very next cut scene that Krile started healing Y'shtola immediately (and will yell at the player, if they're a healer, to quit gawping and help).

Nothing about that made it look like she was actually gonna die. It was just a case of the Worf Effect, showing a character we know getting beat up to show off how powerful the new guy is.

[TMW001]

No one should have thought they'd kill off all the Scions at Thule would have been permanent especially since we still have Azem's gem on hand if we had lost it or it was destroyed (if we can even destroy those things) then I'd understand but I'm glad we aren't just killing MC left and right I've dropped series that's whole stick is who's gonna die this week for shock value.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

No one should have thought they'd kill off all the Scions at Thule would have been permanent especially since we still have Azem's gem on hand if we had lost it or it was destroyed (if we can even destroy those things) then I'd understand but I'm glad we aren't just killing MC left and right I've dropped series that's whole stick is who's gonna die this week for shock value.

It's not about wanting MC's killed off left and right for shock value. It's that you never ever feel any tension for these characters because they are unkillable. A lot of moments that would otherwise be nail biting or gut wrenching are just non impactful because you know they will be fine. In endwalker we are facing the biggest threat in the universe and came out without any casualties in our group, SOMEONE should have been lost like srsly. One person dying on the rare occasion would be enough to give that feeling of danger back.

You're just taking things to an extreme to be disingenuous.

[Tehmon]

It's not about wanting MC's killed off left and right for shock value. It's that you never ever feel any tension for these characters because they are unkillable. A lot of moments that would otherwise be nail biting or gut wrenching are just non impactful because you know they will be fine. In endwalker we are facing the biggest threat in the universe and came out without any casualties in our group, SOMEONE should have been lost like srsly. One person dying on the rare occasion would be enough to give that feeling of danger back.

You're just taking things to an extreme to be disingenuous.

This'd be an okay argument IF we were talking with people who don't actively want scions to die purely because they dislike them as characters.

[Theodric]

This'd be an okay argument IF we were talking with people who don't actively want scions to die purely because they dislike them as characters.

What about those of us who came to dislike them precisely because they're clad in such ridiculous levels of plot armour?

We can also safely suggest that this stance doesn't go both ways, either. I see many people who fawn over the Scions quite happily push for characters they happen to dislike to be killed - even if they're not an antagonist but happen to look at their character the wrong way.

[Tehmon]

What about those of us who came to dislike them precisely because they're clad in such ridiculous levels of plot armour?

We can also safely suggest that this stance doesn't go both ways, either. I see many people who fawn over the Scions quite happily push for characters they happen to dislike to be killed - even if they're not an antagonist but happen to look at their character the wrong way.

Well death is certainly not going to make them any more interesting as characters

[Theodric]

Well death is certainly not going to make them any more interesting as characters

It can, quite easily. Death does not prevent a character from being fleshed out posthumously. Moenbryda's been dead for almost ten years but that hasn't stopped the game from bringing her up frequently and adding to her story.

Kind of like how, in the real world, if someone dies their loved ones will typically reveal little snippets of their lives through reminiscing.