SGE was designed to be the "dpsing healer" but sadly failed at it.

[Rilifane]

Yeah whm and sage is call inferior to ast and sch but ironic i see those 2 more than ast and sch. heck i rarely see ast and its still in a good place with its kit.. but if so called inferior jobs are seen more hmm maybe they arent inferior.

Because they're easier to use. It's that simple.
WHM has always been the "easy, straightforward" healer. HP goes down, Lily (or the dreaded Medica II) goes brr. Job done, pat on the back.
SGE isn't far behind SCH and even surpasses it on 2 bosses except for the absolute top players but to surpass it you need to work more for the few % difference - beacon healing but dealing with fairy placement reset after Seraph/ Dissipation, spending a GCD on summoning it after death, AF heals being a dps loss, SS being 100 potency stronger but ground-targeted, only Broil slides & Swift as dps-neutral mobility, delay when using fairy skills back to back, flexible Aetherpact but comes with two weaves (unless you need to use a fairy skill to cancel it anyway) and delay, dps partly dependant on party burst alignment.

And AST ... let's not even start.
AST is strong but a huge mess of unsatisfying bloat with buttons like glorified Lucid Dream, split-for-no-reason Draw/ Play & MA & Crown Play and "feels bad" MA and we're back again to having to use LS during burst like before LS change in ShB. Now AST is the least mobile healer because SCH at least has Ruin II even if it's a dps loss.

[Mortex]

As 'superior' as AST is, it's just an awful job to play IMO. You're forced to dogpile so much stuff into 2 minute burst windows and even then it still manages to feel massively unsatisfying somehow. Whilst if your the sort of person who picks a single job for all aspects of the game, it's just about the worst job possible.

Sage still has the illusion of being fresh, WHM is just WHM.

Too be fair whm after the lily changes is a far cry from the terrible state it was in before these changes. Wings are actually not more terrible then bubble in a decent number of spots. Also aqua veil for the double dragon phase because tanks gonna get it there hard.

[Supersnow845]

Too be fair whm after the lily changes is a far cry from the terrible state it was in before these changes. Wings are actually not more terrible then bubble in a decent number of spots. Also aqua veil for the double dragon phase because tanks gonna get it there hard.

The lily fix just made WHM not an active hinderance to the rest of the raid, it’s still an absolute baseline of a class and I wouldn’t call it anywhere close to developed properly

[Supersnow845]

Because they're easier to use. It's that simple.
WHM has always been the "easy, straightforward" healer. HP goes down, Lily (or the dreaded Medica II) goes brr. Job done, pat on the back.
SGE isn't far behind SCH and even surpasses it on 2 bosses except for the absolute top players but to surpass it you need to work more for the few % difference - beacon healing but dealing with fairy placement reset after Seraph/ Dissipation, spending a GCD on summoning it after death, AF heals being a dps loss, SS being 100 potency stronger but ground-targeted, only Broil slides & Swift as dps-neutral mobility, delay when using fairy skills back to back, flexible Aetherpact but comes with two weaves (unless you need to use a fairy skill to cancel it anyway) and delay, dps partly dependant on party burst alignment.

And AST ... let's not even start.
AST is strong but a huge mess of unsatisfying bloat with buttons like glorified Lucid Dream, split-for-no-reason Draw/ Play & MA & Crown Play and "feels bad" MA and we're back again to having to use LS during burst like before LS change in ShB. Now AST is the least mobile healer because SCH at least has Ruin II even if it's a dps loss.

AST just traded actual difficulty and game knowledge in 5.0 with artificial burst window APM and called it a day and it shows, the class feels absolutely dreadful to play

SGE feels like a fluid SCH but also like you said loses a lot of what makes SCH somehow still the most interesting healer by a country mile even though it’s been gutted like 5 times over at this point, I don’t like modern healers as an entire design but SGE and SCH compliment each other well as the “introduction fluid shield healer and the developed complex shield healer”, the regen healers are just a mess

[Mortex]

The lily fix just made WHM not an active hinderance to the rest of the raid, it’s still an absolute baseline of a class and I wouldn’t call it anywhere close to developed properly

I didn’t say it was a good designed job just that it is not absolutely garbage anymore from back in the old days.

I’m in the same boat that I think whm needs way more skill ceiling because it is bare bones.

[Rilifane]

WHM can pull its weight just fine since the Lily change but it still remains a barebone healer devoid of identity or interesting mechanics.
I'm just baffled it took them almost 3 years to make such a simple change that has been asked for everywhere. Dps neutral Lilies were among the first thing people asked for in early ShB until now. Instead we were stuck with clip mage and dps loss Lilies for the whole ShB expansion. Makes me wonder how long it would take them to make WHM into a developed healer with its own identity if a simple change takes almost 3 years.

[Supersnow845]

WHM can pull its weight just fine since the Lily change but it still remains a barebone healer devoid of identity or interesting mechanics.
I'm just baffled it took them almost 3 years to make such a simple change that has been asked for everywhere. Dps neutral Lilies were among the first thing people asked for in early ShB until now. Instead we were stuck with clip mage and dps loss Lilies for the whole ShB expansion. Makes me wonder how long it would take them to make WHM into a developed healer with its own identity if a simple change takes almost 3 years.

I don’t think clip mage was a bad thing, WHM was turrety and that was a semblance of an identity but they needed lilys to be neutral to have on demand weave slots

Ever since EW released I’ve been in favour of reverting the 1.5 second cast time on glare so that WHM could go back to being turret mage, ShB WHM actually required fight knowledge to play well

[Rilifane]

I'll never get the stance of "clip mage wasn't bad".
If you want a turret identity, look at BLM. That's turret identity done well. Clip mage wasn't and clipping by design isn't an identity for me. And there is absolutely no excuse to leave it a clipping mess that should just Glare because any semblance of fulfilling the healer role or moving is a dps loss for an entire expansion.
They have proven that they can do it well with BLM so I see even less excuse for it being "not bad" or an "identity" in the state it was in.

[Supersnow845]

I'll never get the stance of "clip mage wasn't bad".
If you want a turret identity, look at BLM. That's turret identity done well. Clip mage wasn't and clipping by design isn't an identity for me. And there is absolutely no excuse to leave it a clipping mess that should just Glare because any semblance of fulfilling the healer role or moving is a dps loss for an entire expansion.
They have proven that they can do it well with BLM so I see even less excuse for it being "not bad" or an "identity" in the state it was in.

I mean clip mage in the form it was in was bad, clip mage with 20 second DPS neutral lily’s would have been actually interesting, sure it’s not BLM level but at least it gives us something interesting within the boring as hell frame of the healers we currently have

lily’s felt like they tied into WHM’s kit in ShB, now they have just been reduced to basically extra excessive oGCD healing

[Azuri]

Yeah whm and sage is call inferior to ast and sch but ironic i see thome 2 more than ast and sch. heck i rarely see ast and its still in a good place with its kit.. but if so called inferior jobs are seen more hmm maybe they arent inferior.

If only we had some hard data and not "i see"...

Oh. We do.



SCH comps simply have triple the clears. Whatever you might "see", SGE is truly a meme in that fight.