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  1. #71
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    GoatOfWar's Avatar
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    Pepper Oni
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    Quote Originally Posted by currentlemon View Post
    I really wish that we had more ways to generate Addersting with SGE. It really sucks that the only way we can can only obtain those stupid Addersting stacks is by casting one... only ONE, GCD Heal ability. Can this not be expanded? I want to cast Toxikon more!!! I also wouldn't mind SGE's Limit Break ability to come over from PvP.
    I personally think that letting Rhizomata grant a stack of addersting would be a good start
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  2. #72
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    Celica Genhu
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    I personally think that letting Rhizomata grant a stack of addersting would be a good start
    I'd thought of that too, but many others here claim that would be too strong. If that spell would grant addersting, it would be a flat out DPS gain for SGE.

    I want SGE to gain addersting when they cast Eukrasian Prognosis on everyone. That way, when raid wide damage occurs, SGE will gain three addersting stacks and it will be DPS neutral. I might be missing something here because I don't play SGE anymore, but at least SGE will have more opportunities to use Toxikron more and it'll reward the SGE for healing. Something that I advocate.

    I also wouldn't mind gaining addersting through Haima and Panhaima. Again, it would be a bit too strong since it'll be a dps gain, but it is something to consider.
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  3. #73
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    Snow Fox
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    It def is a welcomed healer in high end raiding. Thats for sure.

    So whatever kit they got; its working better compared to the other 3.
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  4. #74
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gember View Post
    It def is a welcomed healer in high end raiding. Thats for sure.

    So whatever kit they got; its working better compared to the other 3.
    I mean SGE’s biggest problem is that it pretty much offers nothing that SCH can’t do better and even ignoring SCH just being better SGE if more clunky it’s kinda disheartening that a new healer after 6 years is basically just SCH2.0 while also having its “core mechanic” basically just be a targeted embrace
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  5. #75
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I mean SGE’s biggest problem is that it pretty much offers nothing that SCH can’t do better and even ignoring SCH just being better SGE if more clunky it’s kinda disheartening that a new healer after 6 years is basically just SCH2.0 while also having its “core mechanic” basically just be a targeted embrace
    Most of SGE's abilities do two things at once. Heal + mitigation, Heal + regen, etc etc.
    SCH has to do those things individually outside of the single ability Sacred Soil

    SGE has most of all the tools a SCH has with less micromanagement.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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  6. #76
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    Azuri Aeru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gember View Post
    It def is a welcomed healer in high end raiding. Thats for sure.

    So whatever kit they got; its working better compared to the other 3.
    *Nervously looking at WHM/SGE healing comps in Dragonsong*
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Most of SGE's abilities do two things at once. Heal + mitigation, Heal + regen, etc etc.
    SCH has to do those things individually outside of the single ability Sacred Soil

    SGE has most of all the tools a SCH has with less micromanagement.
    Yeah that’s what I mean, SGE does 95% of what SCH can do with half the effort, but if you do put in the whole 9 yards SCH beats it on just about every metric except MP economy
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  9. #78
    Player IceBlueNinja's Avatar
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    Blade Beoulve
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    *Nervously looking at WHM/SGE healing comps in Dragonsong*
    Yeah whm and sage is call inferior to ast and sch but ironic i see those 2 more than ast and sch. heck i rarely see ast and its still in a good place with its kit.. but if so called inferior jobs are seen more hmm maybe they arent inferior.
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  10. #79
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja View Post
    Yeah whm and sage is call inferior to ast and sch but ironic i see those 2 more than ast and sch. heck i rarely see ast and its still in a good place with its kit.. but if so called inferior jobs are seen more hmm maybe they arent inferior.
    As 'superior' as AST is, it's just an awful job to play IMO. You're forced to dogpile so much stuff into 2 minute burst windows and even then it still manages to feel massively unsatisfying somehow. Whilst if your the sort of person who picks a single job for all aspects of the game, it's just about the worst job possible.

    Sage still has the illusion of being fresh, WHM is just WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    As 'superior' as AST is, it's just an awful job to play IMO. You're forced to dogpile so much stuff into 2 minute burst windows and even then it still manages to feel massively unsatisfying somehow. Whilst if your the sort of person who picks a single job for all aspects of the game, it's just about the worst job possible.

    Sage still has the illusion of being fresh, WHM is just WHM.
    It’s strange SCH still somehow through all the changes it gets every time still managed to come out of this the best designed healer in the current landscape and it isn’t even close
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