It's time to revaluate paper crown battlementors

[Deceptus]

There is absolutely nothing about clearing 50 current Savages that means someone possesses the empathy and patience required to assist others properly with their questions and issues in a helpful and non-judgmental way.

If anything having savage experience might make you a worse mentor because at that level you:

1) Expect people to know their jobs inside and out
2) Expect people to be able to do research on their own.
3) Are very adverse to mistakes and have no problem kicking people for those mistakes.

Those things are very different than trying to teach people things.

[Bookie]

ppl ahould always rely on themselves, do self learnings instead of seeking mentor's guidance.
and i really cant see how this mentor system is bad to sprouts.
so many post about it and i always feel that they are exaggerated .

[Jeeqbit]

ppl ahould always rely on themselves, do self learnings instead of seeking mentor's guidance.

Should, but a lot of people just want to play the game instead of googling everything. I've been told by sprouts that the answers on google are confusing, conflicting or outdated and it's simpler to have an experienced player tell them.

On my current server we have a mentor with PVE status who occasionally tells sprouts that AoE attacks are inefficient, and that pulling multiple packs is a bad thing. When other mentors try to intervene and shut him down, sprouts seem to struggle to figure out who they should actually trust. This person, and many others like him, would not have access to the PVE mentor status with a more exclusive requirement. Personally, I've always felt that requiring a single completion of the previous tier of Savage would be enough of a filter.

That's unfortunate, but I do remember the quality of pve mentors going down a lot shortly before they increased the commendation requirement. Some extremely casual players who didn't know anything started to qualify based on how long the game has been around. The mentors with ! icons were the ones giving questionable advice, so it would probably help to increase the requirements more as well. I would not mind if they were quadrupled (6000 commendations, 4 tanks, 4 healers, 4 DPS, 4000 duties).

I can see how putting a requirement for some recent savage content might help prevent that situation, but I don't like the idea of saying a mentor specifically has to do savage regularly because they might not have time anymore. But having at least stepped foot into extreme or savage in the past helps them to explain how it's different.

That person seems like an outlier where most mentors, even if they don't pull multiple packs, wouldn't be quite so arrogant about telling all new players to single target. It's frustrating but they might just have to be corrected regularly. Needing to do savage would be likely to filter out these mindsets but it's not guaranteed because doing mostly single-target fights isn't going to teach them much about multi-target content like dungeons. They obviously know that other people think aoe and big pulls are better, they are just sticking to their guns.

Has someone tried putting the maths in front of them with 120 potency x3 against 3 single target GCDs?

[dspguy]

I don't know if being a raider should auto-qualify a player for mentor status either. Maybe it could be used in exchange for the "brownie points" (commendations for those following). Possibly lower comms to 500 if you've cleared the latest tier X times.

Keep in mind that there are lots of mentor-quality players that are excluded from the Novice Network because they are too new (they haven't had time to accrue 1500 comms). And there are also mentor-quality players out there that simply don't want to join Novice Network anyway.

Honestly, I think the discussion is biased depending on the players' perception and experience of Novice Network. Those that find NN to be a waste of time would probably fall into the category of "just do away with it." Whereas those that either gleaned something from it as a New Adventurer or Returning Adventurer would probably like to see it continue. Speaking for my own server, I think the NN is a great addition to the game. I've known many players that essentially expired from NN because they advanced too far along in MSQ or hit the hour cap and leave the channel with sadness. I've been around long enough to see some of those players earn their way back as a mentor after a long period of time... and they've given back ten-fold to our NN community.

[AnnRam]

ppl ahould always rely on themselves, do self learnings instead of seeking mentor's guidance.
and i really cant see how this mentor system is bad to sprouts.
so many post about it and i always feel that they are exaggerated .

Exactly.
This game its probably the easiest one in the market right now since every aspect of it got hard nerfed to the point that doesn't even matter what job do you play.

You don't need to learn anything special besides basic knowledge management about how to click on things or navigate on the menus. Everything in this game its served in gold plate and the whole system from ARR to the end of EW will be the same.

[hagare]

Should, but a lot of people just want to play the game instead of googling everything. I've been told by sprouts that the answers on google are confusing, conflicting or outdated and it's simpler to have an experienced player tell them.

if your answer to every new player is "just google them"
You don't have a community.
You have an automated customer service bot.

[Jojoya]

ppl ahould always rely on themselves, do self learnings instead of seeking mentor's guidance.
and i really cant see how this mentor system is bad to sprouts.
so many post about it and i always feel that they are exaggerated .

Not everyone is capable of self-learning. That's why we have schools - so those trying to learn have someone to help them.

Just from my own experience, I know not all the posts are exaggerations but because people have a tendency to focus on negatives it may make it seem like only problems exist. Certainly there are good mentors out there but as the saying goes it only takes one bad apple to ruin the bunch. Because the system does not adequately remove the bad apples, players get to the point they tend to avoid all of them.

That why many want to see the system reworked to remove what draws the bad apples in - the rewards.

[Deceptus]

Should, but a lot of people just want to play the game instead of googling everything. I've been told by sprouts that the answers on google are confusing, conflicting or outdated and it's simpler to have an experienced player tell them.

If a player is in the type of content where they can't comprehend semi-complex or complex mechanics then they probably shouldn't be there.

Seeing vs reading is a difference and people do learn differently but being able to read or see it via google / youtube is an important baseline.

[Jeeqbit]

If a player is in the type of content where they can't comprehend semi-complex or complex mechanics then they probably shouldn't be there.

Seeing vs reading is a difference and people do learn differently but being able to read or see it via google / youtube is an important baseline.

This mostly isn't about watching guides for dungeons, but for understanding basic things like how to repair. There are a lot of questions that if they search google there either isn't an answer because of other topics coming up for the same keywords or it's conflicting or outdated. I have seen a lot of people say "sprouts should just use google instead of the novice network" but that just isn't how everyone is going to approach the game and those that do still benefit from talking to other players.

[george357]

if their all bad remove them but if this is all hate speech keep it just the way it is and remove the bad apples and keep the good ones.