It's time to revaluate paper crown battlementors

[LittleImp]

How many sprouts are playing current savage content and are going to have questions about it?

1. Other mentors and Returners actually ask questions about endgame rotations and savage fights fairly frequently. I've even helped people with DSR in the Novice Network lol. There are also tons of questions about endgame job balance from newer players.

2. Beating Extreme+ indicates someone probably has a higher level understanding of the games core concepts pertaining to PVE, as higher difficulties just kind of build on existing concepts and aren't some totally unique thing. It's useful for someone mentoring PVE to have a full understanding of the trajectory a player takes from character creation to Savage raiding, because certain habits and knowledge can be developed early on that will be useful later.

Without fail, the PVE mentors I see spreading bad misinformation are people that pretty much never touch high-end content, and often have weird agendas or personal visions for how they believe the game is 'meant' to played. Most of these mentalities are things that would never ever fly in Savage+, and someone who had completed that type of content would be much less likely to spread that kind of misinformation.

[Jeeqbit]

1. Other mentors and Returners actually ask questions about endgame rotations and savage fights fairly frequently. I've even helped people with DSR in the Novice Network lol. There are also tons of questions about endgame job balance from newer players.

I see a lot of questions about job balance in novice networks across worlds and data centers, but the general answer provided is that they are balanced enough and that the balance shifts between patches, so they should just play what they enjoy.

In most cases I think their concern is about some major imbalance or getting rejected like has happened in other games, but they will not usually be rejected in party finder or most statics and if they are they can switch job when they are through the story.

I definitely don't see sprouts asking for help with ultimates in the novice network, so that is probably just something in certain novice networks and it's probably temporary while a lot of people are trying it at the same time.

Regardless, there will be some mentors in every novice network that know about ultimates and can answer questions about them. NN is the collective wisdom of multiple mentors, not just one of them. I agree that just having tried extreme or savage a little gives them a good sense of how it's different and the trajectory, but I feel that a lot of mentors have actually done this before because, frankly, they never stop talking about it.

[Themarvin]

getting rid of the mount for mentor roulette would be a good start or let it require 5000 commendations as well, would be a good start especially to put in an actual effort.

[LittleImp]

Regardless, there will be some mentors in every novice network that know about ultimates and can answer questions about them. NN is the collective wisdom of multiple mentors, not just one of them. I agree that just having tried extreme or savage a little gives them a good sense of how it's different and the trajectory, but I feel that a lot of mentors have actually done this before because, frankly, they never stop talking about it.

I feel that in addition to a more exclusive PVE status, a more generalized mentor status should be added with a lower barrier of entry.

On my current server we have a mentor with PVE status who occasionally tells sprouts that AoE attacks are inefficient, and that pulling multiple packs is a bad thing. When other mentors try to intervene and shut him down, sprouts seem to struggle to figure out who they should actually trust. This person, and many others like him, would not have access to the PVE mentor status with a more exclusive requirement. Personally, I've always felt that requiring a single completion of the previous tier of Savage would be enough of a filter.

[Jijifli]

I feel that in addition to a more exclusive PVE status, a more generalized mentor status should be added with a lower barrier of entry.

On my current server we have a mentor with PVE status who occasionally tells sprouts that AoE attacks are inefficient, and that pulling multiple packs is a bad thing. When other mentors try to intervene and shut him down, sprouts seem to struggle to figure out who they should actually trust. This person, and many others like him, would not have access to the PVE mentor status with a more exclusive requirement. Personally, I've always felt that requiring a single completion of the previous tier of Savage would be enough of a filter.

I have had plenty of people in savage gear (including savage weapon) who have the mindset you're poking at in here.

No. It will not stop it. Specially when it comes to stuff that has no effect on savage content that's nearly always in a single target, no pulling environment.

[Lunalepsy]

Clearing content doesn't make you a good player—teaching others does.

[TaleraRistain]

There is absolutely nothing about clearing 50 current Savages that means someone possesses the empathy and patience required to assist others properly with their questions and issues in a helpful and non-judgmental way.

The mentor system now is very flawed because there's no real way for the current requirements to only bestow the status on those who will help and support their fellow players. They should probably just remove the status until they can overhaul the requirements. And probably remove rewards, too, since even the crown itself is part of that. If they had a separate area where those who wanted to mentor could participate and a way for the mentoree to give feedback as a pathway to mentorship, that could work. Because then a mentor would actively be participating and proving they could handle the position.

Just don't let people run around with that crown.

They just get it when they enter a instance with the mentor roulette and lose it when the dungeon is done.

They don't need to display it everywhere.
Also, new player don't know what they are anyway because auf 2nd player has one above their head.

When they limit the crown to only mentor roulette then it also gets its meaning back.

Why? People don't need help only in instances. I've had plenty of people find me out in the wild with basic game questions not related to combat at all. Mentoring isn't just about mentor roulette.

[TMW001]

The current requirement is fine its at least manageable for even casual players locking it behind 50 Savage clears would just open up a whole new can of worms of people with huge egos maybe even more so.

[Catwho]

Current conversations happening on my server's Novice Network:

• changes made to Haukke Manor normal recently
• how to cheese Irregular mog tomes as a blue mage
• what is artifact armor
• how to get relic weapons in the glam dresser (Replica form)
• what is a levequest

NONE of that requires that you have cleared Savage content.

[hagare]

Current conversations happening on my server's Novice Network:
[LIST][*]what is artifact armor

hey, someone just asked this earlier.
and someone did ask how to get mog tomes fast when the event started.
I think most questions we've got are more about terminologies than anything.
which actually makes sense because they want to get accustomed to the game.
Oh, someone asked how to be able to use mounts a few months ago.