Just Another Samurai Thread About "That"

[Tetsujin]

Please.
For the love of god.
Bring back the one, the only...


It's never going off my hotbar, and honestly, I'm not playing SAM in the current state. It was the last melee job I truly enjoyed until the 6.1 changes given that all the other classes I loved were trounced as well. In some cases worse than SAM *cough* DRK *cough*.

I realize this doesn't add much to the forums but if there's a chance Square will address the billion kaiten threads, I'll throw my virtual katana in the pile.

I wonder what SAM mains are playing now. Did you stick with it or changed to something else? I think BLM and NIN are something I might enjoy gameplay wise but the aesthetics and class moods are just not for me, never liked being a mage or shinobi much.

[Avenheit]

kaiten changes might not been so yucky if the combat direction (forced 2minute burst) wasn't so unsatisfying compared to ShB.

I'm sitting thinking about if I had to play another class, what would it be and realising that I just don't really care for other classes. Real Boredom thing goin on, the only real tank i loved (GNB) gained a really gross rotation. RPR and SAM both have really gross skill drift. SMN rotation is now super boring and I have no drive for the other 2 casters. Game is hurting so much more than people wanna realise.

[Tetsujin]

kaiten changes might not been so yucky if the combat direction (forced 2minute burst) wasn't so unsatisfying compared to ShB.

Allow me to take the liberty and ask something only semi-related. What happened with NIN? I was under the impression that the reason everyone had 2m bursts now was to better mesh with trick-attack and bard buffs and such, but mostly trick attack. So no class really had a ton more synergy with others? Now I see people talking about trick attack being changed/no longer giving party wide damage. What's going on?

[Quor]

Allow me to take the liberty and ask something only semi-related. What happened with NIN? I was under the impression that the reason everyone had 2m bursts now was to better mesh with trick-attack and bard buffs and such, but mostly trick attack. So no class really had a ton more synergy with others? Now I see people talking about trick attack being changed/no longer giving party wide damage. What's going on?

TA used to be a 60s cooldown skill that applied a debuff that boosted damage done to the target by 5% for 15s. NIN also had an oGCD called Mug that would give them 40 Ninki when used, on a 2 minute cooldown.

In 6.1, those skills were swapped basically. TA is still 60s and is still activated the same was as before, but only provides a personal damage buff to the NIN instead of being a debuff that others in the raid can capitalize on. Mug now, in addition to boosting Ninki by 40, also applies the 5% damage debuff that TA used to provide, but on a 2 minute cooldown instead of 60s. So all in all, NIN got a small personal damage boost in exchange for cutting their raid buff damage contribution roughly in half. The reasons given for this were as suspect as the reasons given for Kaiten removal, and about as well received.

[GoatOfWar]

You think you've got it bad? Healers have been reduced to 1 button jobs over the years.

[Quor]

You think you've got it bad? Healers have been reduced to 1 button jobs over the years.

Yes but saying it like that does nothing. Internecine job wars get nothing done. The changes from 6.1 have caused an outcry not just for the reversion of SAM and NIN but for an entirely new direction to be taken away from the "race to the bottom" mindset that has long permeated tank and healer design.

[ICountFrom0]

You made another tread, instead of posting in the megathread, when community managers have said that ONLY megathreads get changes made.

Why?

[xAFROx]

You made another tread, instead of posting in the megathread, when community managers have said that ONLY megathreads get changes made.

Why?

So which of the many SAM threads has been determined as the megathread to post in for changes?

[Kabooa]

So which of the many SAM threads has been determined as the megathread to post in for changes?

Celeste or Roxus, judging by page count.

[xAFROx]

Celeste or Roxus, judging by page count.

Hm, hard to say. Guess that's why folks keep making more