Just Another Samurai Thread About "That"

[Quor]

You made another tread, instead of posting in the megathread, when community managers have said that ONLY megathreads get changes made.

Why?

They can say it as much as they'd like. If they're going to treat us like children then we'll take our business elsewhere. If they can't be bothered to look through multiple threads then they are not suited for their jobs. This is the internet; you're going to have multiple threads made about things, particularly controversial things that are seen by a large portion of players as being "adversarial." You either accept that as a fact of life or you move on to another line of work.

But really, the biggest point against "only megathreads lead to changes" is the 1.0-to-2.0 transition in and of itself. There was nowhere near a single "megathread" and eventually we got 2.0 from it, and if they're just going to try and put things back in the box so to speak then that will blow up in their faces spectacularly. I know for a fact that I've got more experience and time put into this game than most of the community managers do. Many of them did not even exist during 1.0 while I was there since the first beta, giving feedback (polite, thought-out feedback, just so we're clear), testing the game from a variety of angles and so forth. I did the same thing when I was invited for alpha/beta testing of 2.0. I will continue to do the same thing here. If a new thread needs to be made, by myself or by someone else, then it will be made. If the community management team is incapable of accepting that feedback then that's on them. I am doing what I do for free, out of a love for the game. They are being paid for it.

[CelestiCer]

Read the guidelines (again), no rules to be found where we must abide to Mega-Threads.

My assumption is this is being said to tackle overlapping Forum clutter which is Square's fault for not making sub-sections for Melee DPS / Phys.Ranged / Magic.Ranged. We're all cramped into just DPS.

Also ironic. The OP join date is 2015 and has not even an " OUNCE " of total posts compared to those complaining about making the OP post in a Mega-thread which I assume is cause of forum litter. Perhaps OP is not a frequent poster/reader to know the unwritten/unexpected rules of common courtesy no one needs to abide by, i.e Mega-Threads.

Next to the 30th now Healer post on a SAM thread, I don't believe 1 job should suffer to improve another? But how about keeping healer topics in healer threads and DPS in DPS once. Pile that unwritten rule up next to " Post only in Mega-Threads " btw, we're not here to compare how much more flaccid our gameplay has become against one another no...

Anyone ever wondered? that perhaps this many threads on a singular topic? is the Communities feedback way of saying " Square, you done F'kd up ". Or at least the NA version since now we have multiple-threads and we have the JP method of a Mega-Thread.

I want Kaiten back, I want Square to know that they FK'd up with 6.1 patch. And so far that Mega-Thread on the JP forums has yet to make the Dev's and/or Yoshi address it directly. They of course know of it, but they are turning blind eye acting deaf. So at this point? I'll take any method any thread any post, cause Samurai as of now? is a farcry of how fun it used to be.

[Flashy]

I've moved on to dual-main RPR/DRG. I'm going to tune in for the liveletter, but I do not have the SAM job crystal on my bar at the moment.

For me to play SAM again, they would have to do 3 things

Bring back Kaiten

Revert the crit changes so that we have our synergy back with other buff jobs

Restore the potency they shifted into our combos back into our midare and namikiri. There should be a reason (high potency) I'm building 8 GCDs with a castbar at the end to use a Midare

I doubt they will do any of these things, so I'll just play something else even if I don't find RPR or DRG anywhere near as fun as 6.08 SAM

[xAFROx]

I've moved on to dual-main RPR/DRG. I'm going to tune in for the liveletter, but I do not have the SAM job crystal on my bar at the moment.

For me to play SAM again, they would have to do 3 things

Bring back Kaiten

Revert the crit changes so that we have our synergy back with other buff jobs

Restore the potency they shifted into our combos back into our midare and namikiri. There should be a reason (high potency) I'm building 8 GCDs with a castbar at the end to use a Midare

I doubt they will do any of these things, so I'll just play something else even if I don't find RPR or DRG anywhere near as fun as 6.08 SAM

Keep in mind they're adjusting the way crit buffs work to bring back synergy. That was touched upon in the previous live letter.

[Tetsujin]

I had to use SAM again today and I want to complain a bit more, and since this is my self-made whining ground, I have to say...

Why is Tenka Goken a radial AoE now? Seems every cone AoE is/has been turning into a circle, why the cone hate? Genuinely who was asking to make their conal AoE into a circle, ever? I keep positioning to hit with the cone and I get this tiny, nonsense cone attack with an obviously frontal move animation. It blows. I know it may seem asinine but details matter. Let classes play and position different through AoEs and so on.

You think you've got it bad? Healers have been reduced to 1 button jobs over the years.

I think you guys have it horrible, I don't know how you still play those classes. I tried my first healing class since HW with SGE and... whew. That was supposed to be the active, damage healer too lol. I hope they are made more fun to play, there's room for us both to complain.

[CelestiCer]

Why is Tenka Goken a radial AoE now? Seems every cone AoE is/has been turning into a circle, why the cone hate? Genuinely who was asking to make their conal AoE into a circle, ever? I keep positioning to hit with the cone and I get this tiny, nonsense cone attack with an obviously frontal move animation. It blows. I know it may seem asinine but details matter. Let classes play and position different through AoEs and so on.

" The 6.1 change from Cone to non-Target Circular feels terrible ".

Who suffered the most with the old Tenka Goken?
No one. Seriously, name any content that Samurai couldn't finish with a the old Tenka Goken? No one was held back.

Did it actually improve Gameplay?
No. It simplified it, while properly executing it being less rewarding in both damage and in how many targets you can hit, while also being not as fun nor good to aim with " factually speaking " since this has been debunked with measurements on another thread.

Coupled with Kaiten removal?
I mean why make it dumber when you can " Go beyond! Plus Ultra-Dumber "

What about Auto-Crit Tenka Goken?
What about it? They added it to Iaijutsu's and Ogi-Namikiri, they nerfed Tenka Goken potency and forgot to even add it to Tenka Goken. Nerfed.

Lv52 to Lv62 content has what for Kenki Spending? Well...
As you do low level content to do Tenka Goken AoE rotation? your Kenki spending between those 2 level points is now " Shinten " because you cannot amplify Tenka Goken with Kaiten nor can you execute Kyuten since it's AoE that you won't have yet and Shinten is single target, ruining even this part of the game...


TLDR

• No one asked, nor suffered any amount to have it change to circle
• No one was held back before to clear any content from it being a cone
• No one is clearing any content that much easier with the changes
• No gameplay improvement plus our AoE is nerfed
• It didn't fix any problem that a was already non-existing

Lastly, take this opinion as someone who used to play non-stop Korean/Asian grind-style MMO games for years... SAM AoE was fun and there for even relaxing, almost borderline therapeutic, doing fates for 8 hours joining random parties this was fun. 6.1 changes? has ruined AoE satisfaction so badly for SAM that I have not touched a Dungeon anymore until I choose to just never use the skill. I have not done a single fate since 6.1 changes. It has made me quit AoE-ing... they managed to make it " that unfun " from what in my opinion used to be " perfect ".

[Tetsujin]

Facts.

Keep doing god's work. I'm leveling a DRG and/or MNK to get off SAM ASAP, it feels disastrous after I've come back and had to experience it in 6.1. Praying they say anything about it in the upcoming liveletter, even better just revert it. Even if it became F tier, I'd take it. If I had it my way, I'd almost just copy paste SB Samurai's kit into our level 90 but that's admittedly little extreme and silly.

Just please, get us off this mediocre, unsightly ride. We had a really fun class with a LOT of punch at one point. Now all the impact, flow, and most importantly FUN is gone.

Fun> Balance>>>>>>> "ease of access", which is almost always an excuse to dumb things down considerably. See fighting games.

[xAFROx]

I had to use SAM again today and I want to complain a bit more, and since this is my self-made whining ground, I have to say...

Why is Tenka Goken a radial AoE now? Seems every cone AoE is/has been turning into a circle, why the cone hate? Genuinely who was asking to make their conal AoE into a circle, ever? I keep positioning to hit with the cone and I get this tiny, nonsense cone attack with an obviously frontal move animation. It blows. I know it may seem asinine but details matter. Let classes play and position different through AoEs and so on.

Let's not forget that because it's a circle and a cast, the current most effective way to use it is to eat hits from every mob that wants to attack the tank. And then you remember the pitiful potency it has, you're better off burning all aoe Sen generated into kenki with Hagakure to spam kyuten between every hit while you run in and out like a cat with the zooms.

[RyuuZero]

Please.
For the love of god.
Bring back the one, the only...


It's never going off my hotbar, and honestly, I'm not playing SAM in the current state. It was the last melee job I truly enjoyed until the 6.1 changes given that all the other classes I loved were trounced as well. In some cases worse than SAM *cough* DRK *cough*.

I realize this doesn't add much to the forums but if there's a chance Square will address the billion kaiten threads, I'll throw my virtual katana in the pile.

I wonder what SAM mains are playing now. Did you stick with it or changed to something else? I think BLM and NIN are something I might enjoy gameplay wise but the aesthetics and class moods are just not for me, never liked being a mage or shinobi much.

Yeah Kaiten also won't go from my Hotbar aswell, for the tooltip alone! (since it reminds us why Kenki even exists), I recommend to play Samurai in PvP though, there Kaiten still exists but as Buff that turns single target skills into AoE Skills which is okay for PvP, not for PvE! but the Counter Combo LimitBreak InstaKill feels so awesome when it hits!

I currently play to pay off a Debt that I have due to a Glamour Deal I made on an alt with another Player...
Ninja.. even though Trick Attack is now basicly old disembowel from Dragoon still feels true to it's Fantasy.. even if Hyosho Ranryu should be accessable alongside Kassatsu!

[Quor]

Tenka Goken changes

It gets lost amidst all the Kaiten talk, but yes, the Tenka Goken change was absolutely terrible. In addition to the outright nerfing it received it is just not fun anymore. It flowed so smoothly, felt so good to pull off, but now it's the most boring thing in the world and literally nobody asked for it. Keep up the good fight Cel.