So, what now? Lotteries with 150+ bids until... when?

[Stormpeaks]

Not all plots opened during "prime time" not everyone could play the game during "prime time", how does that fit in your flawless logic? You're just ignoring all the negatives people have listed here to fit your narrative of a system that was in your eyes perfect and everyone complaining about it was just lazy. You can't hyper focus on one aspect of a system and just ignore everything else, though I guess it seems to be going great for you as you still think you're somehow correct in your delusional opinion.

I'm sorry, do we have to cater to everyone's schedules now ? If people werent available during prime time, tough luck, try for the next one, and if they didnt open during prime time, same thing, go for the next one, it's not rocket science, if over the years someone was unable to get a house, yes it is lack of effort and/or being purely lazy.

And FYI, most plots opened during that prime time window.

[Bukachu]

I'm sorry, do we have to cater to everyone's schedules now ? If people werent available during prime time, tough luck, try for the next one, and if they didnt open during prime time, same thing, go for the next one, it's not rocket science, if over the years someone was unable to get a house, yes it is lack of effort and/or being purely lazy.

And FYI, most plots opened during that prime time window.

It was an awful system nonetheless

current system is also awful but slightly, tiny-winy better. still awful tho.

because the core issue isnt in the system, its the fact that SE doesn't add instanced housing, while simultaneously not adding enough wards to fit communities needs.

[Sheriyana]

I'm sorry, do we have to cater to everyone's schedules now ? If people werent available during prime time, tough luck, try for the next one, and if they didnt open during prime time, same thing, go for the next one, it's not rocket science, if over the years someone was unable to get a house, yes it is lack of effort and/or being purely lazy.

And FYI, most plots opened during that prime time window.

You're again conveniently ignoring the fact that there has never been enough houses to fill the need for everyone who has wanted one. The people who have the will to work for them have lost too, someone always has to lose when there's not enough plots available for everyone. And you think that spamming a placard for even the 2 hours is perfectly fine, I would argue that playing a game is not supposed to be a job, the most boring job as well as I can't think of anything worse than nonstop mindless clicking. People pay money for this game, maybe they're entitled for more engaging gameplay than the most mundane crap imaginable?

[Shougun]

Both systems sucked gysahl greens through a yew wand but having read the pros and cons to both systems, I am 1000000% supportive of the lottery systems- even though it is 'also' bad. Sure you could have got lucky, particularly when it was hyper down time and your server was smaller, but the amount of things that could go wrong with the placard was far worse than lottery.

If a lottery fails multiple times in a row then having it become purchase-able on the spot seems fair, but I definitely feel all shifts in situation should begin with lottery. Like when we had new wards released and everyone did the mad dash rat race to get theirs- it was not a fair system and pure garbage luck. Or when you're so close to getting a plot and someone bounces right on in with their relocation. Etc.

"only check it for a few hours, don't damage your health" I've seen some say. And all I can think back is what an absolute dumpster fire of a way to spend my time lol. Even if I wasn't crazy trying to get a house, what a great way to feel like "this system is god awful, this is so boring, and if someone snipes this house from out underneath me-- I will have a permanent souring moment in this game". That's the 'healthy' option.. freaking L O L... The stories of people spending 8 hours for their FC and then losing out.. probably would make me quit the game, permanently.

No... The lottery is the much better, bad, option. Still sucks, not going to defend that, and I could see shifting into placard after X failed lotteries is fine-- but the potential negatives of placard were massively larger than the lottery (even if both are still bad).

Absolutely band-aid fixes. We want the solution... which has and will always be proper instanced systems....

[hagare]

It was an awful system nonetheless

current system is also awful but slightly, tiny-winy better. still awful tho.

because the core issue isnt in the system, its the fact that SE doesn't add instanced housing, while simultaneously not adding enough wards to fit communities needs.

Haha *points and laugh in lottery*

[Shori]

....has anyone tried getting a personal house on the new servers yet? Because I went an entered a lottery today and every plot was at 0 entries in both wards I checked (shirogane and mist)

[Canadane]

People wanted the Lottery because it made access to housing fair for all. No more issues with IRL commitments interfering with attempts to obtain a house and no having to compete with people using 3rd party software to get a leg up. It also meant not having to deal with rather unhealthy amounts of click spamming. Your notion that mindlessly camping placards, click spamming and using bots is "working for something" is ridiculous at best. Many of us who are proponents for the Lottery KNOW that our chances are much lower and yet we still favor the Lottery because we want the system to be fair for EVERYONE. I wonder if that is even of the faintest interest to you. Nothing in your post smacks of logic.

I don't understand how you don't see click spamming as working for something. It is undeniably "work" even in the crudest of definitions.
And while there's maybe a more level playing field, it took away effort based rewards from players. I can see why people would want "fair for everyone" as an option but can you not see the way of getting something earned through hard work and dedication with a dash of luck? I find that a lot more commendable than pure luck, which is ironic because I love fishing in this game.

false. it improved my odds from 0 to whatever it is now

Indeed you can't win if you don't try.

[Espon]

I don't understand how you don't see click spamming as working for something. It is undeniably "work" even in the crudest of definitions.
And while there's maybe a more level playing field, it took away effort based rewards from players. I can see why people would want "fair for everyone" as an option but can you not see the way of getting something earned through hard work and dedication with a dash of luck? I find that a lot more commendable than pure luck, which is ironic because I love fishing in this game.

It's work that ultimately gives nothing to the majority of the participants as there can only be one winner in the end. It would be like showing up for your job, putting in your 8 hours of work, and then at the end of the day your employer hands a cheque to a random employee because they were first in their line of sight. Didn't get paid? Better luck next time.

[Raoabolic]

I don't understand how you don't see click spamming as working for something. It is undeniably "work" even in the crudest of definitions.

And I still find it very funny that people consider something they do in a video game "work". I get it, I miss first come first serve housing as well but let's not pretend poopsocking or using autohotkey is "work", lol.

[Avidria]

I still don't understand why they've clung so tightly to just adding identical wards and not doing anything bigger than that. The housing system as a whole, and all of the decisions I've seen made for it since I started playing ~7 years ago, are just utterly baffling to me.

Like, first they put FCs and individuals in the same system. Bad choice in a game like this, imo, but there it is. Then they add auto demo, but shut it off so often (albeit for totally understandable reasons) that it seems like it's off more than on. Then they insist on only ever adding the exact same copy paste template for house layouts, even in both new zones which could've been great opportunities to, I don't know, try wards with different numbers and sizes of houses??? They limit apartments so much they still lack all the actual game features housing offers, which imo again there shouldn't be ANY game features exclusive to housing other than decorating a house and picking the music, and they slap bandaid after bandaid on the BUYING process all while doing little to nothing to stop people from buying up whole wards on their alts and fake FCs and still not doing anything more than ++++more wards every few years to address the supply issue.

And it's double weird because there's two ways they could've gone, right, they could've just said housing is limited tough luck heck off. Like, Aion also has ward housing, and back when I still played it seriously (like 5 years ago lmao) it had weekly fees and way less houses (also gives a free apartment to every player) but it stuck that way for years. But here they keep adding wards?? So clearly they recognize the demand and apparently agreed housing was too limited, but either can't or won't do anything to make it not limited at all.

Idk. Just feels like they tried to do both too much and not enough with the system. The whole thing is contradictory with itself.