It's time to revaluate paper crown battlementors

[DixieBellOCE]

Teaching someone to craft and them being able to make money from it are two different things. I know plenty of crafters that have no clue how to make money at max level.

This is all too true.

on materia i helped a new player level their crafters to max, showed them some really easy profits and they just tanked prices into the ground and complained that they couldnt earn profit.

meanwhile i was selling lala foot stools for 100k each and paying 280gil for the materials from a vendor >.>

[DixieBellOCE]

Oh no, how can you know, if you've never done savage, where to unlock your chocobo? Not to talk about how to unlock dyes and the mechanics of Haukke Manor! Also don't forget to have at least 99 parse in savage, otherwise you could never help a sprout decide which grand company to pick or what is the best method to level up!

Well, if somebody is asking a BATTLE MENTOR where to unlock dyes then i think that they need to go read what each mentor is for.

Battle Mentor
Regular Mentor (The one the person should be asking)
Crafting Mentor

3 completely different things.

[hagare]

Well, if somebody is asking a BATTLE MENTOR where to unlock dyes then i think that they need to go read what each mentor is for.

Battle Mentor
Regular Mentor (The one the person should be asking)
Crafting Mentor

3 completely different things.

What's a regular mentor? And how do I become one?

[Tlamila]

Well, if somebody is asking a BATTLE MENTOR where to unlock dyes then i think that they need to go read what each mentor is for.

Battle Mentor
Regular Mentor (The one the person should be asking)
Crafting Mentor

3 completely different things.

Are you aware that the one you call "regular mentor" is someone who has both battle/pvp mentor and crafting mentor?
Rr do you think they get their title by just unlocking quests or something?
Also, if people ask stuff in NN, all mentors will reply. Imagine a battle mentor going "oh no I'm too high and mighty for simple questons". A sprout will also never ask a mentor about savage stuff, that's way beyond sprouting and usually involves something more like the balance.
Now if you're talking about the balance "mentors"...that's A BIT different.

[hagare]

Are you aware that the one you call "regular mentor" is someone who has both battle/pvp mentor and crafting mentor?
Rr do you think they get their title by just unlocking quests or something?
Also, if people ask stuff in NN, all mentors will reply. Imagine a battle mentor going "oh no I'm too high and mighty for simple questons". A sprout will also never ask a mentor about savage stuff, that's way beyond sprouting and usually involves something more like the balance.
Now if you're talking about the balance "mentors"...that's A BIT different.

That is such a weird gatekeeping xD

[Bobby66]

Personally I think only those who have completed all end game pace content including ultimate should be battle mentors and they must have a deep understanding of 3.3

[Tlamila]

That is such a weird gatekeeping xD

what is?
/10chars

[hagare]

Well, if somebody is asking a BATTLE MENTOR where to unlock dyes then i think that they need to go read what each mentor is for.

Battle Mentor
Regular Mentor (The one the person should be asking)
Crafting Mentor

3 completely different things.

This.
It's like a battle mentor shouldn't answer non combat related questions.
What are they supposed to say? "Sorry kid, not my problem"?

[Dikatis]

Would like to see a removal of mentors in general.

Crafting mentor:

its 100% counter intuitive to 'help' people craft, if you are a crafter. Why would you want more competition?

Every person i have helped learn to craft, has come back to bite me in the ass and undercut me on niche markets that i use for passive income.

If you care so much about personal profit, don't be a mentor? This is a volunteer position where you wear a badge that says, "Hey, ask me anything about crafting!" without any reward for it. I wear the badge everywhere because I want people to ask me questions so I can help them out.

I regularly offer to help returners catchup by crafting ilvl 580 gear for free if they bring me materials. I could charge them, but I choose not to because it just feels nice to do.

Battle mentor:

Should require a savage tier clear and 10x clears of each 'current' expansion extreme trial.

If people cant clear savage, are they actually in the position to give advice to people that want to learn?

I would much rather ask somebody who has a current tier clear than a guy with a burger king crown that only does expert roulette. One of them knows how to play the game, the other just casually got the crown.

As the others have stated, the point of a mentor is not "complete and utter mastery of the game" but answering common sprout questions and filling bodies when they need people in queue. It says as much in the mentor job description.

You don't NEED the mentor badge to do this, but having access to the Novice Network makes it easier for me to find people who DO have questions they want answered or be a friendly face to people who want help. Just yesterday I helped a visitor from Adamantoise powerlevel BLU to 50 to help them get a headstart on doing so in Stormblood. Do I need to do it? No. Does it help me in any way? No. Do I want to do it anyway to be a nice person? Yes. The person even straight up said that their friend recommended them to ask in the Gilgamesh Novice Network for aid, so if I weren't on the Novice Network I wouldn't have been able to find this person and lend them a hand.

[LeonKeyh]

As the others have stated, the point of a mentor is not "complete and utter mastery of the game" but answering common sprout questions and filling bodies when they need people in queue. It says as much in the mentor job description.

God, this. I feel like the mentors in NN that have cleared Savage 20 times are more the problem when it comes to questions asked by sprouts. They either answer questions expecting some level of knowledge that a sprout wouldn't have, or they answer a question as if the sprout is at max level running savage content. Sprouts aren't _typically_ going to ask questions that require a level of time commitment and skill about clearing savage, and on the flipside, there are plenty of people that clear savage because they get carried that's not a good "proof" of skill at all.

Only way to do what people want from this would be solo instances that you need to complete before you become mentor along with a written test of some sort. Even then, you'll still get people that answer stuff wrong, still get people that don't play up to the "lofty" expectations of battle mentors. Ultimately, the problem isn't the mentors, it is the expectation of the mentors. Mentors are meant to be there to answer simple questions from new players, NOT to be an expert at the game.