Ardbert's Party vs the Scions Analysis

[Brinne]

Who's using weasel words now? Garlemald is framed as the stereotypical "evil empire that dominates those it thinks its lessers" which is a Final Fantasy staple. Multiple times has favoring this faction been stated to be wrong or immoral, and never once has anyone who claims to favor it ever stated why. I don't blame 'em, considering the results so far why bother inviting more misery upon oneself? Regardless, one could like Garlemald for its bloody fashion sense and be ridiculed for it here, but I've stopped caring as some on this Forum aren't open to discussing in good faith. Same with Ascian Rejoinings and the Great Sundering, but I'm not gonna pursue that thread again as I'm rather weary of debating morals with brick walls.

I'm an Ascian/Ancient fan, and Emet-Selch is my favorite character. (I even think Venat was a horrible person and the Sundering is an unjustifiable mass murder that has basically broken the game's lore, and have posted about this, passionately, at length! I have had many arguments about it with other posters, even!) I'm very familiar with the frustrating "if you like [x] you are a fascist/bad person/support war crimes" rhetoric used to try to emotionally pressure other people. And because I recognize the manipulative, disengenuous rhetoric for what it is in that situation, I also recognize manipulative rhetoric when it's used elsewhere - ie, bringing in the victimhood of Garlemald fans out of nowhere, without context, in a completely unrelated discussion.

[Theodric]

I'm an Ascian/Ancient fan, and Emet-Selch is my favorite character. (I even think Venat was a horrible person and the Sundering is an unjustifiable mass murder that has basically broken the game's lore, and have posted about this, passionately, at length! I have had many arguments about it with other posters, even!) I'm very familiar with the frustrating "if you like [x] you are a fascist/bad person/support war crimes" rhetoric used to try to emotionally pressure other people. And because I recognize the manipulative, disengenuous rhetoric for what it is in that situation, I also recognize manipulative rhetoric when it's used elsewhere - ie, bringing in the victimhood of Garlemald fans out of nowhere, without context, in a completely unrelated discussion.

It's not really out of nowhere when I'm specifically replying to a poster who, completely out of the blue, name dropped both myself and a handful of other posters as part of a very strange and long lasting grudge.

The poster who, repeatedly, has made strange insinuations about not only myself but friends of mine as well and who continues to do so in various different ways.

I know that you had some sort of issue over my linking of a Twitter profile a while back though I really don't think it's at all unreasonable for me, as someone who isn't American, to not want localisation dictated by those who cannot separate themselves from their political identity and who are happy to openly attack and dismiss large swathes of the population based on their personal beliefs.

As someone who is pretty apolitical in general, I'm tired of politics being dragged into everything. It really isn't anymore complicated than that. Nor do I think it to be appropriate for staff working on the game to be dismissing the opinions of players who have an issue with Venat. On the basis that I played World and Warcraft and saw such statements made in defence of Sylvanas Windrunner who proved to be equally as divisive a character.

At any rate, I'm not hugely interested in this inane back and forth. To be quite honest, the two of you creep me out more and more and I'd like you both to make use of the ignore function and leave me alone. Or at least engage in a civil manner.

[CrownySuccubus]

It's not really out of nowhere when I'm specifically replying to a poster who, completely out of the blue, name dropped both myself and a handful of other posters as part of a very strange and long lasting grudge.

I'm not the one sub-tweeting about people in other threads, Theo.

At any rate, I'm not hugely interested in this inane back and forth.

Ah yes, another example of "running away while firing one last bullet".

To be quite honest, the two of you creep me out more and more and I'd like you both to make use of the ignore function and leave me alone. Or at least engage in a civil manner.

Again, you can put ME on ignore all you like. That doesn't mean I have to do the same. If you want to not see when I refute one of your points, that's on you. I'm not obligated to act like they don't exist.

[Theodric]

I'm not the one sub-tweeting about people in other threads, Theo.

You brought me up by name a few pages back within this very thread:

Except Aveyond, Theodric, Rulakir, et al, actually DO try to invalidate other opinions, whether by claiming that these observations are factual criticisms, that the game overall is suffering from them, that players will leave because of them, or calling the things they don't like "for kids" and that anyone who did like them are shallow or aren't paying enough critical attention.

As for this...

Ah yes, another example of "running away while firing one last bullet".

No, it isn't - since that isn't what I'm doing. Please cease attempting to attribute false motives to me in a malicious manner.

[MikkoAkure]

At any rate, I'm not hugely interested in this inane back and forth. To be quite honest, the two of you creep me out more and more and I'd like you both to make use of the ignore function and leave me alone. Or at least engage in a civil manner.

You could just do what a lot of people including myself do and just not respond to someone if you don't think they're worth your time.

To bring it back to FFXIV, if Emet-Selch thought the WoL wasn't worth his time, the Ascians would have won as the WoL would have been overwhelmed by light aether, not knowing what they were doing and having nothing to do with it all, and caused another Calamity. He just needed to not get involved.