We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Melchkt]

You can be in the 87 dungeon and still be new enough to not know how to tank properly.

There are 80 (yes, eighty) dungeons between levels 15-87 currently, not including trials, raids or solo duties.
You absolutely should have a reasonable grasp of your role's responsibilities by level 50, let alone 87. Stop enabling bad behavior.

Learning to tank well is something that takes people years.

It doesn't, but this is largely irrelevant either way. No one is asking for the perfect tank. You're being asked to press your buttons.
Your coddling mentality is only preventing others from becoming better. Incentivize improvement, and it won't take years for them to learn.

[Striker44]

There are 80 (yes, eighty) dungeons between levels 15-87 currently, not including trials, raids or solo duties.
You absolutely should have a reasonable grasp of your role's responsibilities by level 50, let alone 87. Stop enabling bad behavior.

Except how many of those dungeons are actually required in order to progress the MSQ? Someone pointed out earlier in this thread that it's only a small number of those. On top of that, there's no guarantee that a person would be spending even all of those few actually performing a specific role such as tanking. Raids/Trials don't even apply because they're just boss fights, and the issues we're noticing in dungeons pertain to trash. Stop attacking honest players because you don't have a clue what their learning situation might be. Try actually being polite and helpful instead.

[Bukachu]

Except how many of those dungeons are actually required in order to progress the MSQ? Someone pointed out earlier in this thread that it's only a small number of those. On top of that, there's no guarantee that a person would be spending even all of those few actually performing a specific role such as tanking. Raids/Trials don't even apply because they're just boss fights, and the issues we're noticing in dungeons pertain to trash. Stop attacking honest players because you don't have a clue what their learning situation might be. Try actually being polite and helpful instead.

46 dungeons are required to progress MSQ, not counting raids, trials etc.

[Axxion]

Except how many of those dungeons are actually required in order to progress the MSQ? Someone pointed out earlier in this thread that it's only a small number of those. On top of that, there's no guarantee that a person would be spending even all of those few actually performing a specific role such as tanking. Raids/Trials don't even apply because they're just boss fights, and the issues we're noticing in dungeons pertain to trash. Stop attacking honest players because you don't have a clue what their learning situation might be. Try actually being polite and helpful instead.

Here is the thing since they took a stance on trying to make focus on the story first, they adding npc now to progress to the story. The NPC can do the mechanics to show them how to do it. If people dont feel like socializing with others, but if they want something faster then a group is way better. heck remember the steps of faith? thats an 8 man, now it is becoming a solo duty.

Listen no one is going to attack players that are willing to learn and ask questions like some of our peers think that some are doing. It more towards people that are refusing and being selfish in not learning the game after 50+. Should we talk about people not wearing their job stones at 30? or how some people don't read the tool tips about the skills that they have? Or should we talk about how the devs has not added another part of the hall of the novice to explain how things work?

Here is another note, people will be nice and kind , but is reciprocated back? not all the time. heck want me to tell you a story that happen to my friend while they where leveling up there tank and the healer told them "im tired of people telling how to play a role that they never queued up for" And all they asked was to heal a bit more and use more of ogcd that you have?

Like i do not understand how people can defend this type of behavior.

[Myrany]

Here is the thing since they took a stance on trying to make focus on the story first, they adding npc now to progress to the story. The NPC can do the mechanics to show them how to do it. If people dont feel like socializing with others, but if they want something faster then a group is way better. heck remember the steps of faith? thats an 8 man, now it is becoming a solo duty.

Listen no one is going to attack players that are willing to learn and ask questions like some of our peers think that some are doing. It more towards people that are refusing and being selfish in not learning the game after 50+. Should we talk about people not wearing their job stones at 30? or how some people don't read the tool tips about the skills that they have? Or should we talk about how the devs has not added another part of the hall of the novice to explain how things work?

Here is another note, people will be nice and kind , but is reciprocated back? not all the time. heck want me to tell you a story that happen to my friend while they where leveling up there tank and the healer told them "im tired of people telling how to play a role that they never queued up for" And all they asked was to heal a bit more and use more of ogcd that you have?

Like i do not understand how people can defend this type of behavior.

true story for you

When I was brand new to the game I was on a server with the road to 50 (yes back then it was 50) and because I couldnt log in every day had a ton of rested time. End result was I was level 35 by the time I hit 17 content. A lady saw me in gridania one day and asked why I was level 35 with no job stone. I flat told her the truth. My gear was so bad I couldn't beat my lvl 25 class quest and I had already spent all the gil I had on a couple of pieces of gear but it just wasnt enough. SO I was just questing through hoping for quest rewards that would get me to the point I could beat the quest. She said "Stay right there" and went off and made me the velveteen set. I beat the quest on the first try and went on and got my job stone the same day. One of the kindest things I ever experienced in this game.

The point is sometimes it is not a lack of care or trying. Sometimes there is a reason for not having that stone.

[Axxion]

true story for you

When I was brand new to the game I was on a server with the road to 50 (yes back then it was 50) and because I couldnt log in every day had a ton of rested time. End result was I was level 35 by the time I hit 17 content. A lady saw me in gridania one day and asked why I was level 35 with no job stone. I flat told her the truth. My gear was so bad I couldn't beat my lvl 25 class quest and I had already spent all the gil I had on a couple of pieces of gear but it just wasnt enough. SO I was just questing through hoping for quest rewards that would get me to the point I could beat the quest. She said "Stay right there" and went off and made me the velveteen set. I beat the quest on the first try and went on and got my job stone the same day. One of the kindest things I ever experienced in this game.

The point is sometimes it is not a lack of care or trying. Sometimes there is a reason for not having that stone.

Well once again. Thats fine that they have helped, an i mean that. However my point is as follow. There should have been a system/message stating on where you need to go. Didn't the recommendations show that on the list when people log in. Or like i mentioned about the hall novice. why not have something that shows you how things work?

[Myrany]

Well once again. Thats fine that they have helped, an i mean that. However my point is as follow. There should have been a system/message stating on where you need to go. Didn't the recommendations show that on the list when people log in. Or like i mentioned about the hall novice. why not have something that shows you how things work?

I knew I needed to get it. I could not do it with the gear I was able to obtain. Believe me I tried about 15 times to do the quests. Then I tried several times every time I got a new bit of gear. I looked up rotations (I was a arcanist back then), I practiced at dummys. I KNEW what I needed to do. Given the gear disparity I just couldn't do it.

This was NOT someone refusing to do what was needed. This can happen. Even easier now with the earring and rested and road to 80 to massively outlevel your own gear.

My point was condemning everyone that finds themselves without a stone is probably not the best thing. You do not know exactly what is going on.

Put in a mention that reminds players to get it. That hurts nothing. Wholsale condemnation of someone stoneless at 30 isn't really a good thing. Better to politely ask them why they don't have it yet. Particularly absent a game reminder.

[Axxion]

I knew I needed to get it. I could not do it with the gear I was able to obtain. Believe me I tried about 15 times to do the quests. Then I tried several times every time I got a new bit of gear. I looked up rotations (I was a arcanist back then), I practiced at dummys. I KNEW what I needed to do. Given the gear disparity I just couldn't do it.

This was NOT someone refusing to do what was needed. This can happen. Even easier now with the earring and rested and road to 80 to massively outlevel your own gear.

My point was condemning everyone that finds themselves without a stone is probably not the best thing. You do not know exactly what is going on.

Put in a mention that reminds players to get it. That hurts nothing. Wholsale condemnation of someone stone less at 30 isn't really a good thing. Better to politely ask them why they don't have it yet. Particularly absent a game reminder.

Going to say this and dropping the stone subject. People will legitly and willingly take them off to do 50+ content. See the link below , sorry but if you have people doing this it make it really hard to believe this. What you are telling me that is pass not for present. You know how to play but it was gear issue, then im going to ask is why not buy it from a npc vender or spam dungeons to get gear. For me back then, that what i did if i needed gear i spam dungeons and i got gear for it.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/445191

i wont condemn someone for not know but ill will condemn them for being rude when someone is giving you advice