We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Supersnow845]

maybe instead of saying "you suck at healing" you can go with, "hey, using "skill" might be better"
but then again, you jumped straight to "there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they literally have no idea how to to play the game"
I'd say you're the bigger problem

And you jumped straight to the assumption that I would say you suck at healing

My first point is that I shouldn’t have to tell you not to spam cure 1 in kistis hyperboa, if you do I’ll let you know respectfully but it should never come to that because as the original message of this post says, we should expect a level of basic competency beyond around the vault

[hagare]

And you jumped straight to the assumption that I would say you suck at healing

My first point is that I shouldn’t have to tell you not to spam cure 1 in kistis hyperboa, if you do I’ll let you know respectfully but it should never come to that because as the original message of this post says, we should expect a level of basic competency beyond around the vault

I made no assumption. You said it yourself in your post.

[Supersnow845]

I made no assumption. You said it yourself in your post.

I said if you are spamming cure 1 in kistis hyperboa that I think you have no idea how to play the game, not that I’d tell you in game that you suck at healing

But also how did you get to kistis hyperboa believing that cure 1 spamming is the optimal way to play

[hagare]

I said if you are spamming cure 1 in kistis hyperboa that I think you have no idea how to play the game, not that I’d tell you in game that you suck at healing

But also how did you get to kistis hyperboa believing that cure 1 spamming is the optimal way to play

Where in my quoted post did you say that?

[Supersnow845]

Where in my quoted post did you say that?

I mean that comes back to the idea of how much should you need to sugarcoat explanations of absolutely fundamental topics

If someone is spamming cure 1 there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they have no idea how to to play the game

Is my post you quoted, I never once said that I would say in game they suck at healing, at most I said they have no idea how to play the game which if you are cure 1 spamming in kistis hyperboa I stand by

[hagare]

I mean that comes back to the idea of how much should you need to sugarcoat explanations of absolutely fundamental topics

If someone is spamming cure 1 there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they have no idea how to to play the game

Is my post you quoted, I never once said that I would say in game they suck at healing, at most I said they have no idea how to play the game which if you are cure 1 spamming in kistis hyperboa I stand by

Sureeeeeeeeeee.
I guess that's why you posted what you posted.

[Supersnow845]

Sureeeeeeeeeee.
I guess that's why you posted what you posted.

Yep, I posted what I posted, maybe next time read the post you quote before you just pretend like I said something completely different, almost as much as that other poster who apparently read the same post and said I was going on screaming tirades at innocent sprouts

[UkcsAlias]

If someone is spamming cure 1 there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they have no idea how to to play the game

The problem is at multiple parts here.

- If you can still easily beat the content, it essentialy didnt matter much that you spammed cure 1. You have beaten it quickly which is still the most important measurement. (and before you think. but you could have used cure 2. plenty of times you could have used panic heals to enable more dps. but you saved these instead. while a smaller dps loss, its still a loss. and therefor a similar argument)
- For any other class, abilities were either useless from the start, or they improved. Cure 1 never improved far enough to be worth it. Its an ability that becomes useless later on. This fails a very basic design aspect in which every tool you have should have its use. (even though sleep is generaly useless, it still has its feature to be able to reduce aggro by disabling a target from the fight for a moment. which is mostly just for msq though)
- Freecure promotes cure 1 usage above cure 2 usage. It gives players false information on the proper playstyle.
- Other abilities also upgrade on the WHM, yet cure 1 doesnt, which again is an indication that its usefull on its own.

Cure 1 is an abomination in its current style. And while some suggest removing it, i personaly would still prefer to see a diffirent upgrade to it. Just so there is diffirences in casting the 2 (and therefor have variety in casting there. otherwise cure 2 just becomes the new stone, but then for healing).

(also, i never use cure 1 when cure 2 is available)

[Supersnow845]

The problem is at multiple parts here.

- If you can still easily beat the content, it essentialy didnt matter much that you spammed cure 1. You have beaten it quickly which is still the most important measurement. (and before you think. but you could have used cure 2. plenty of times you could have used panic heals to enable more dps. but you saved these instead. while a smaller dps loss, its still a loss. and therefor a similar argument)
- For any other class, abilities were either useless from the start, or they improved. Cure 1 never improved far enough to be worth it. Its an ability that becomes useless later on. This fails a very basic design aspect in which every tool you have should have its use. (even though sleep is generaly useless, it still has its feature to be able to reduce aggro by disabling a target from the fight for a moment. which is mostly just for msq though)
- Freecure promotes cure 1 usage above cure 2 usage. It gives players false information on the proper playstyle.
- Other abilities also upgrade on the WHM, yet cure 1 doesnt, which again is an indication that its usefull on its own.

Cure 1 is an abomination in its current style. And while some suggest removing it, i personaly would still prefer to see a diffirent upgrade to it. Just so there is diffirences in casting the 2 (and therefor have variety in casting there. otherwise cure 2 just becomes the new stone, but then for healing).

(also, i never use cure 1 when cure 2 is available)

I don’t deny cure 1 is badly designed but that isn’t really the problem here, the problem is if you can sit in a high level dungeon and see every skill you have access to as a WHM and still think cure 1 spam is the correct way to engage with the content then it’s not cure 1’s bad design that is the problem here

[BaconBits]

Me, staring at the Dragoon that's been spamming raw, uncomboed Chaos Thrust into Sonic Thrust for the entire duty, knowing full well if I say anything it's a 50/50 chance the party will either call me a sweaty tryhard and give me the boot, or get rid of the Goon that seemingly has never read a tooltip in their life.