We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[Padudu]

I mean reading your tooltips tells you what to do, sure a few classes like MNK can be a bit confusing to do when you read the skills at level 1 but this thread is not discussing accidentally doing celestial revolution twice because you don’t understand beast chakra, it’s absolute bare basic things like thinking cure 1 spam is a valid playstyle, or not AOE’ing on a DPS or a tank not using damage reduction skills

You can read tooltips all you want tho, doesn't mean players will properly utilize or understand them. WHM cure 1 spam is likely because they are fishing for freecure procs thinking that it is better than 2, 3, or the dozen of ogcd heals. That is what I am thinking anyways.

Some of the duties say otherwise, especially considering how many people were actually failing the Cape Westwind instance because they didn't realize they needed better gear.

This is just my experience but I've never seen people fail Cape Westwind, although tbf I rejoined this game pretty late so by the time I got the instance again, it was like a 1 minute cheese fight. In reality tho most of my experience is even with the leechers - you can just legit carry them through. Some people don't notice/don't care unless it's severely affecting the dungeon. Depending on what it is, it might not even matter. That's just a problem of the game being baby mode more than anything :/

[RyuDragnier]

This is just my experience but I've never seen people fail Cape Westwind, although tbf I rejoined this game pretty late so by the time I got the instance again, it was like a 1 minute cheese fight. In reality tho most of my experience is even with the leechers - you can just legit carry them through. Some people don't notice/don't care unless it's severely affecting the dungeon. Depending on what it is, it might not even matter. That's just a problem of the game being baby mode more than anything :/

Cape Westwind is now a solo instance, there is no completing it in 1 minute, or cheesing it with others anymore. The people losing are getting destroyed in the 3rd phase of it, which is basically a "burn the boss down" phase, because you are basically Holmgang'd and stuck in a burning field while he throws all his AoE attacks trying to kill you. It's pretty awesome.

[VelKallor]

I am every single Day in Raids, Trials, Alliance and Frontline and I see a lot Leechers, who do nothing and get Rewarded for that. God forbid if you dare to say please kick Player XYZ cause he is afk or does nothing. Then you get a Shitstorm of the Year.

Maybe, and this is just an observation, your game experience might be better if you didnt look down on people and werent so judgemental...calling someone a "leech" is hardly conducive to any for of communication.

[Supersnow845]

You can read tooltips all you want tho, doesn't mean players will properly utilize or understand them. WHM cure 1 spam is likely because they are fishing for freecure procs thinking that it is better than 2, 3, or the dozen of ogcd heals. That is what I am thinking anyways.


This is just my experience but I've never seen people fail Cape Westwind, although tbf I rejoined this game pretty late so by the time I got the instance again, it was like a 1 minute cheese fight. In reality tho most of my experience is even with the leechers - you can just legit carry them through. Some people don't notice/don't care unless it's severely affecting the dungeon. Depending on what it is, it might not even matter. That's just a problem of the game being baby mode more than anything :/

I mean if people can’t understand that “10% damage mitigation and 550 potency regen that also restores 700 mana and doesn’t interrupt damage” is better than “cast for 2 seconds to restore 400 potency” then I don’t really know what to say anymore

[EnigmaticDodo]

Thanks for the keeping up the fight. I've tried to make similar topics, usually get shot down. It's pretty draining and you can't satisfy everyone. I appreciate you nonetheless!

[VelKallor]

its about someone lashing out when given tips in an online game.

Ive given out tips many a time and its been well received..then again, I dont do it thinking of the person i speak to as "leech" or a "bad".

Had it ever occurred to you that it isnt what you say....

Its how you say it?

[Padudu]

Cape Westwind is now a solo instance, there is no completing it in 1 minute, or cheesing it with others anymore. The people losing are getting destroyed in the 3rd phase of it, which is basically a "burn the boss down" phase, because you are basically Holmgang'd and stuck in a burning field while he throws all his AoE attacks trying to kill you. It's pretty awesome.

Ahhh, ok. I haven't heard anything about the new solo instance, that's pretty cool. When I was a sprout I've definitely been in the "whoops" territory when it came to gear - when you ride the MSQ train you just kinda assume that the gear the quests throw at you will do the job even if you have some pieces out of date. There were definitely times when I've just let the quests gear me and I would have like.. accessories I've outleveled by 5-10 levels or something close to that, thought it was fine since hey, I'm living through the dungeons so I'm ok! Even though I was actually severely undergeared.

Although I know this game has an ok new player experience, it's definitely overwhelming and a lot of it is left unexplained - there's no way that the tank tutorials properly tell you how to tank, for example. Forget doing PLD rotations or anything like that based on the tooltips alone lol. I know we're talking about basic mechanics though, people are just incredibly weird, misunderstand things, or just plain-out don't know how to use it effectively. Of course there's people who are just genuinely not wanting to read/learn, but overall the game isn't great at explaining how to play. I'll also say this since it might be obligatory -- not a WoW player and the only thing slightly close to WoW I have ever gotten was RuneScape, but that still played VASTLY different.

I mean if people can’t understand that “10% damage mitigation and 550 potency regen that also restores 700 mana and doesn’t interrupt damage” is better than “cast for 2 seconds to restore 400 potency” then I don’t really know what to say anymore

Yeah you'd be surprised! Especially early on the freecure proc if you get a cure 1 spammer they'll follow it up with "it's fast, saves mp, efficient", or something along those lines.

[Supersnow845]

Ive given out tips many a time and its been well received..then again, I dont do it thinkiing of the person i speak to as "leech" or a "bad"

Had it ever occurred to you that it isnt what you say....

Its how you say it?

I mean that comes back to the idea of how much should you need to sugarcoat explanations of absolutely fundamental topics

If someone is spamming cure 1 there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they literally have no idea how to to play the game

[Padudu]

I mean that comes back to the idea of how much should you need to sugarcoat explanations of absolutely fundamental topics

If someone is spamming cure 1 there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they literally have no idea how to to play the game

I'm not sure why but you just unlocked a memory about the cure 1 discussion lol, just remember that it's probably still widely believed that arm's length isn't mitigation by a good amount of people.. I think. Maybe it's changed. :P

[VelKallor]

I mean that comes back to the idea of how much should you need to sugarcoat explanations of absolutely fundamental topics

Speaking as a former team leader / trainer / supervisor, Ive never needed to 'sugarcoat" anything. Then again, all my coaching sessions have been with the aim of helping a person improve, not using their mistakes to belt them over the head with. More than a few of the people I trained went on to be promoted, which delighted me no end. I didnt care they got promoted above my head, THAT was the proof I had succeeded.

And thats another thing, if you do it in a hostile manner and in front of others, youve just broken a cardinal rule: praise in public, reprimand IN PRIVATE.

Offer to HELP, not criticise. One way gets them to listen to you..one doesnt.

If someone is spamming cure 1 there is only so many nice ways to tell them that they literally have no idea how to to play the game

Funny, I can think of any number of approaches that will accomplish that purpose..but then again, I start from a position of respect and basic courtesy. Youd be SHOCKED at what happens when you start a suggestion in a tactful, friendly manner.