We Need to Start Expecting Mid-Level Sprouts to Play Better

[IDontPetLalas]

I'd disagree with sentiment. Unless you're wall-to-wall pulling at those early-to-mid levels (which if you're just learning how to tank, you're probably not), I can easily see someone noticing no need whatsoever to use their main mitigation abilities on single trash packs. The change happens precisely when you both: A.) Get to higher levels, and B.) Wall-to-wall pull. For developing tanks, that may not be happening period until they're at a higher level, and all it usually takes is an actual polite recommendation to go ahead and use some of those mitigation tools on the trash, because when we pull multiple packs you'll find that the trash actually does more damage than the bosses.

I don't see exactly how your reply relates to what i wrote, not to what sentiment you are referring to, unless you mean that a mid-level pack never has the occasion to do more than pulling a single pack.

If depends upon how you define "mid-level"- but if someone is learning to tanking then they probably do start to w2w by SB , at least to try to do so. So it isn't too much to expect them to know what those core skills are. it's up to you if you see that as a "recommendation" or more or a reminder, just as a tank who may have forgotten to put on their stance.

[Gararr]

Let's face it, skill based matchmaking will never happen because then all the bad players would only get matched with bad players. Their runs taking 30+ minutes suddenly and they'd all blame eachother claiming they aren't the issue.

They'd then come to the forums to vehemently argue against any sort of skill based matchmaking because just like the current people that defend it - getting a free meal and a free ride off good players is more important to them than anyone else's enjoyment.

Also sadly PF doesn't work. Delebrum Reginae proved that even when players tried to do that back when the content was popular, the rats just slowly shifted to using PF as word of mouth spread. The moment high skill PF becomes the option, bad players will go there 'because they want faster and easier runs and deserve it'

[Iustitia-sama]

Let's face it, skill based matchmaking will never happen because then all the bad players would only get matched with bad players. Their runs taking 30+ minutes suddenly and they'd all blame eachother claiming they aren't the issue.

They'd then come to the forums to vehemently argue against any sort of skill based matchmaking because just like the current people that defend it - getting a free meal and a free ride off good players is more important to them than anyone else's enjoyment.

Also sadly PF doesn't work. Delebrum Reginae proved that even when players tried to do that back when the content was popular, the rats just slowly shifted to using PF as word of mouth spread. The moment high skill PF becomes the option, bad players will go there 'because they want faster and easier runs and deserve it'

Unfortunately this is true, theres alot of reply's in this thread from those sort of people too.

[AmpelioB]

yea?? why you think Shinryu, Hades, Cinder Drift, Seat of Sacrifice and so on duties are supposed to be harder?
Heck, even the rework content is making it easier for you to read act on content.

[Picker]

I ran into this recently as well, but it was dead ends and I was healing. Tank didn’t use any mit, not even bloodwhetting, and before the first boss I offered a bunch of tips, what’s mits to use in any situation, how the 6 seconds work, how to position packs so aoe was effective. I got told I don’t pay their sub as well. We vote kicked after first boss. It’s insane they running lvl 90 and not using any mit. Most people are receptive to this kind of feed back but there’s always some bad apples

[Atelier-Bagur]

To be honest, I find it reeeeally hard to believe running into tanks late in game who have yet to do the basic of basics of dungeon mob mitigation. Ive done roulettes DAILY in this game and not once have I ever encountered this issue in late game content. The only reasons I can think of for this ever happening are:

1. They're a boosty andy, didnt care for msq and wanted to hop into that sweet gravy FFXIV hype train so they wound up picking tank because they wanted to go big uh....you know what I mean and felt like they knew the game already from playing other MMOs with better combat.

2. They're a returning player, that was out from the game for a long ass time, so there was some major rust to work through.

3. Job boosty andy, used to dps or perhaps even heal but never tanked and didnt want to level another job all the way back from square 1.

Despite these reasons, that tank was just being a total prick. Anybody who legit has been ignoring how a role is supposed to work this late into the game's content has no right to get angry when people are telling them to please do the bare minimum required for the role. Also seriously dont even be a dick in general, whats wrong with you.

[TheMightyMollusk]

To be honest, I find it reeeeally hard to believe running into tanks late in game who have yet to do the basic of basics of dungeon mob mitigation. Ive done roulettes DAILY in this game and not once have I ever encountered this issue in late game content.

You've been lucky, then. I saw a no-mitigation gladiator with broken gear in the Dead Ends yesterday. He folded like paper in the first trash pull and tried to blame it on the healer.

[Mimilu]

I've been seeing more and more of this kind of "lax" tanking style lately in expert roulette and it's infuriating. （○｀Ｏ´○）
Does everyone need to be at the level where they can clear savage content on day one? No.
Does every new player need to watch guide videos before they go in a dungeon or normal/hard trial for the first time? Of course not.
But there should be a base expectation that people are required to do the base functions of their roles: tanks use mitigation, healers heal when things get dicey, everyone uses AoEs when dealing with more then 2 mobs, etc.
Why should one player get a free pass to slack and make someone else (usually the healer) clean up the mess for them? All that does is add to the anxiety first-time healers get while also annoying most of the veteran healers, who don't want to be treated like a heal-bot. (╬⓪益⓪)

[Viralomg]

Meh, normal content is too easy for me to care about it.
Don't even care about single pulls. What's it gonna do to me beside losing ten more minutes lmao.

[Mimilu]

Meh, normal content is too easy for me to care about it.
Don't even care about single pulls. What's it gonna do to me beside losing ten more minutes lmao.

It's not single pulling that's the problem, it's tanks that do wall-to-wall pulls but then don't use any of their mitigation cooldowns, leaving the healer to babysit them. ヾ( •́д•̀ ; )ﾉ