Botting on the marketboard. Impossible to sell anything.

[rxantos]

The table should take into account the cost for you to make the resource. Including Gil and other currencies cost and time cost.

Is a delicate balance between those who want to grossly overcharge and those who just want an honest profit (around 200% of whatever your cost).

Want to kill FF14? Pander to the over chargers. They will grossly over charge. And if that what is sold is the ingredient for something else, that something else will be even more grossly overcharge. Which in turn will make the original overcharger charge more. Until new players cannot afford to buy things without going to a RMT.

[Jojoya]

The table should take into account the cost for you to make the resource. Including Gil and other currencies cost and time cost.

Is a delicate balance between those who want to grossly overcharge and those who just want an honest profit (around 200% of whatever your cost).

Want to kill FF14? Pander to the over chargers. They will grossly over charge. And if that what is sold is the ingredient for something else, that something else will be even more grossly overcharge. Which in turn will make the original overcharger charge more. Until new players cannot afford to buy things without going to a RMT.

If players think others are overcharging, then they know what to do to make money.

Prices usually end up the way they are due to lack of supply or competition. Players have it in their power to correct those things. SE doesn't need to take action.

[Darkmoonrise]

I can't remember which MMO it was, but they charge a listing a fee when you add an item to the Market Board AND when you update/change the price.

The Secret World did that IIRC

[Toutatis]

The table should take into account the cost for you to make the resource. Including Gil and other currencies cost and time cost.

Oh great! Another non-sensical proposal. What cost? How do you establish the cost? You can use in game vendors, gather your own mats, you can get some as rewards from quests/dungeons, you can send retainers away while you make gil doing something else, use beast tribe currencies, gems or use the MB. The price of materials and items can also have wild variations on the MB. And time cost? lol Oh and some items are already crafted and some are sold by vendors or dropped by dungeons!

Is a delicate balance between those who want to grossly overcharge and those who just want an honest profit (around 200% of whatever your cost).

Gathering some mats can be way more trouble than crafting which is just assembling. And how is 200% of whatever the "cost" is not overcharging? If I go treasure hunting for a few hours and bring back 3 rare mats, why would I even sell the mats if I can just assemble them into a jacket and sell them for double the price than I would if I sold the mats separately? After all, the real work was gathering the mats. And what is my cost? What if people want the shoes more than the jackets? It is still the same cost to me, yet the demand varies a lot.

Want to kill FF14? Pander to the over chargers. They will grossly over charge. And if that what is sold is the ingredient for something else, that something else will be even more grossly overcharge. Which in turn will make the original overcharger charge more. Until new players cannot afford to buy things without going to a RMT.

Market price is whatever people are ready to pay for the items. Why wouldn't I be able to sell a mat for 1.5mil if someone is ready to buy it at that price? Gather your own mats if you are not happy with the price. If an item is not worth crafting to sell, then don't craft it, sell the mats if you have them and craft something else. If the mats don't sell, prices will go down.I take all that into consideration when I decide to sell mats vs crafted items. It sounds like you just want cheap mats to craft into items that you can sell at high prices.

I don't have any trouble selling on the MB. I take into account the sales history, age and nature of the item and make a decision as to pricing. Very often I will not price my items the lowest and I ignore the undercutting wars. I know my items will sell, it comes down to whether I want a quick sale or if I am willing to wait.

[ReynTime]

The reason this isn't addressed is simply because there is not enough pressure.
And there likely won't be any pressure.

When you look at places like reddit and twitter, you see a lot of players who go as far as saying bots are 'good for the market', because it saves them the trouble of needing to pay the 'high' prices normal players would charge or needing to gather or craft it themselves.
Those short sighted bufoons don't realise how the last five or six years have gradually been making leveling a DoH or DoL more and more pointless for non botters, turning them into essentially dead content if you can't make full usage of week 1 sales.

Oh wait. I'm completely and utterly wrong. Because, you see, they're still useful for desynthesis and melding! 10/10 would implement again

[Prrringles]

/cut...I know my items will sell.../cut.

Do they? Because if I don't keep undercutting the local bots, my items wil literally never sell. They auto update their prices every ~10min and restock on their next login if an item sold. So /doubt on that claim if your server has mb bots.

[Jojoya]

Do they? Because if I don't keep undercutting the local bots, my items wil literally never sell. They auto update their prices every ~10min and restock on their next login if an item sold. So /doubt on that claim if your server has mb bots.

Depends on what you're selling. There are thousands of items to craft that bots don't touch and that do sell on the MB daily.

[Prrringles]

Depends on what you're selling. There are thousands of items to craft that bots don't touch and that do sell on the MB daily.

I guess but those must be small profit items then. On my server all the items with decent to high profits that actually sell are sold by rmt bots. Even the most random items are sold by the same account.
No one should be forced into selling other/niche items because of bots run the rest. I know the reality is different but yeah, you get the point. It's just a dirty mess.

[UkcsAlias]

Do they? Because if I don't keep undercutting the local bots, my items wil literally never sell. They auto update their prices every ~10min and restock on their next login if an item sold. So /doubt on that claim if your server has mb bots.

At some point too many bots compete with each other, dropping the prices that far that the botters will simply just let them focus on something else. Prices at that point have destabilized that far its not worth the bot time. So yes, generaly it ends up to sell at some point anyway. Retainers still have limited slots, if all the 20 slots are wasted trying to undercut other bots, its highly inefficient. Thats why it generaly changes over time which items are being botted.

(and yes, this doesnt work for all items, but thats the part of 'knowing what sells')

[Archaell]

Some kind of anti-change-price mechanism sounds cool on paper, but look at how botched housing lottery is. What SE needs is better bot detection instead of harming real crafters. Until that happens gotta update the prices few times a day and anything gets sold.