Botting on the marketboard. Impossible to sell anything.

[Kuroka]

Ill still never get how they cant just follow millions of gil flowing around... like, evertime a player gets more then 3-5 mill just trigger an investigation, or make certain patterns that trigger it...

[dspguy]

I have been playing this game from the start (1.0) so I know my way around. If I don't update my prices every 5~10 minutes I am not selling anything at all. If a bot sells an item a new one will be posted within 10 minutes. I dare to say that at least 75% of the retainers selling items are bots. I know all the "big" crafters on my server and pretty much no one is selling anything anymore.

That bolded part is the key problem. I'm ok with someone selling their items before me. There's a good chance that if, for example, 5 sell per day and I'm number 3 on the list, mine will likely sell without having to relist more than once per day. However, when dealing with an item that sells maybe once per day and coupling it with a bot that will undercut to the first sale and then have time to make another and always keep it in position #1 on the board... we get into this situation where many players can't sell much on the marketboard. Even if they are willing to camp the summoning bell and relist.

Bots do it faster and can do it without getting tired.

I've found that some markets are more amenable to only relisting 2-3x per day. But it all boils down to volume. If 10 sell per day, for example, there's a decent shot that I'll sell mine at some point. Maybe not first or second, but maybe I'll sell that one item per day. And if I find dozens of items that fit those circumstances, I can make plenty of gil. However, I'm well aware that the majority of sales go to a handful of bots.

There's certain sellers on the MB of gear that have been listing crafted Classical gear non-stop since it came out. At any time for the past 6 months, each bot has 1-2 of pretty much every piece up for sale. And when one sells, another populates its place in less than an hour.

[Prrringles]

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You are spot on with everything. Bots can keep doing this without any human interaction while we have to physically press buttons to update our prices. No normal human being with a decent life can keep that up (even humans without a life can not because they do need to sleep). So what you get is players getting angry/impatient and undercutting the bot by large amounts. Bots still always win. They have literally 0 time investment versus players who need to actually press buttons and can undercut to the point they would only make a small amount of profit. Since they can do this for like forever even those small profits add up. So yeah.

I'm sure the word profit if relative to the player. I have serveral gil caps so I can't be arsed to craft items that sell for 10k each or make 10k profit only anymore. Changing my scope is not an option for me. Until SE changes their stance on banning/cleaning the servers I will invest my quality time elsewhere. Sad but unavoidable.

[Kuroka]

Im looking forward the new craftig gear, prices will burn when raiders dont need to buy day one lol

[Jojoya]

Im looking forward the new craftig gear, prices will burn when raiders dont need to buy day one lol

Always going to be those who don't raid and don't care about paying high prices to be among the first to have something. I expect weapons will probably still go for good prices since a lot of players don't want to wait 7 weeks if they aren't doing Savage or EX.

[Aneshda]

What I don't understand is, when Item X goes really good for let's say 89000 Gil and sells every single day a lot to that price, why do others drop that price to 48000 and lesser Gil just suddenly? The only logic point I see, is that some ultra rich Players tries to mess up the prices on purpose so that all other players can't get rich.
It is like Player X sells 9 Items for 89000 Gil each at a day and then the same Player X crafts more of those Items and sells them for 48000 or lesser Gil the same day. What is the point in that?

[Kuroka]

Sure but the prices were like fraction of what they used to be at 6.0, this time no one HAS to buy gear day one so prices will go south...

What I don't understand is, when Item X goes really good for let's say 89000 Gil and sells every single day a lot to that price, why do others drop that price to 48000 and lesser Gil just suddenly? The only logic point I see, is that some ultra rich Players tries to mess up the prices on purpose so that all other players can't get rich.
It is like Player X sells 9 Items for 89000 Gil each at a day and then the same Player X crafts more of those Items and sells them for 48000 or lesser Gil the same day. What is the point in that?

Some are just bots , some just wanna sell and dont care, some are, just dumb. and sometimes im just annyoed of that bot that undercuts me for 1 gil every 30 sec lol

[Azuri]

What I don't understand is, when Item X goes really good for let's say 89000 Gil and sells every single day a lot to that price, why do others drop that price to 48000 and lesser Gil just suddenly? The only logic point I see, is that some ultra rich Players tries to mess up the prices on purpose so that all other players can't get rich.
It is like Player X sells 9 Items for 89000 Gil each at a day and then the same Player X crafts more of those Items and sells them for 48000 or lesser Gil the same day. What is the point in that?

I have a very specific relationship with competition - if I can't have a market none of us will have it. Before quitting a market that got too crowded I always try to ruin it as much as possible. Just out of spite.

[Jojoya]

What I don't understand is, when Item X goes really good for let's say 89000 Gil and sells every single day a lot to that price, why do others drop that price to 48000 and lesser Gil just suddenly? The only logic point I see, is that some ultra rich Players tries to mess up the prices on purpose so that all other players can't get rich.
It is like Player X sells 9 Items for 89000 Gil each at a day and then the same Player X crafts more of those Items and sells them for 48000 or lesser Gil the same day. What is the point in that?

Hard to say. Could be just an accident on the price. Could be the seller thinks that more will sell each day if the price is lowered.

In your example (assuming it's a real example) I suspect someone decided to bait a bot, the bot took the bait, then the other player withdrew the bait from the marketboard if it's not showing a sale for the lower amount in sales history. Was it Classical or Pactmaker gear by any chance?

I have a very specific relationship with competition - if I can't have a market none of us will have it. Before quitting a market that got too crowded I always try to ruin it as much as possible. Just out of spite.

I sometimes ruin markets because I hate seeing sellers price-gouging buyers. I just don't ruin them so far that they end up unprofitable. I still believe in profit. I don't believe in outrageous profit unless something is a true luxury item (think things like the Night Pegasus Whistle).

I like being Walmart. Sell low but in volume. I still make gil. The buyer has gil left over to buy things from other sellers so the other sellers also make gil. Those sellers can then afford to buy other things I'm selling so I make more gil. Everyone wins.

Best way to get rich is to not spend your gil in the first place, or at least be smart about what you buy. It's amazing how many players will spend 5000 gil or more on an item even though the tooltip clearly states the item is sold by a vendor for 66 gil (*cough* Emperor's New Gloves *cough*).

[Prrringles]

I sometimes ruin markets because I hate seeing sellers price-gouging buyers. I just don't ruin them so far that they end up unprofitable. I still believe in profit. I don't believe in outrageous profit unless something is a true luxury item (think things like the Night Pegasus Whistle).

I like being Walmart. Sell low but in volume. I still make gil. The buyer has gil left over to buy things from other sellers so the other sellers also make gil. Those sellers can then afford to buy other things I'm selling so I make more gil. Everyone wins.

I thought you were the guy advocating for a free market. Price gouging does not exist in a free market? It's called supply and demand? Kind of sounds you hate seeing players make good profits because supply is low. Call it what you want but that is what it sounds like. We all "hate" certain things but is that a valid reason to ruin someone else's fun? Are you (or anyone else doing these things) the market police? If that item is not your "core business" just let it go. I'm not trying to directly attack you or anything but I personally just hate this kind of behaviour. It's a game. I like to believe most people play games to relieve stress. Why make it more stressful for people by ruining their last bit of fun in this world? Different folks, different strokes goes the saying right?. Everyone should just mind their own business.

Btw, the Night Pegasus Whistle you mentioned gets imported from Japanese servers in bulk bt RMT circles. It's half the price it used to be now because of that. Same goes for all the other salable mounts. I remember selling the Eldthurs Horn for 12 million+ before EW and now it sells between 1-3 million. Just saying.

Edit: tons of spelling errors.