Suggestion: The state of Classes and it's connection with Jobs

[Aragon]

Looked around. Seems i need to take the L. You can see people on this forum repeat that claim that the developers want to end classes but i couldn't find a direct quote that is without a doubt saying this. Guess i really shouldn't trust people from here.

I still don't see what you want with those class requirements. When it comes to story it won't really fit. Bard quest build on Archer. Machinist does not. Aside from more space of hotbars for macros i don't see a benefit in classes atm.

Suggestion: Have new base classes for jobs that don't have one yet. That way all jobs would be (almost) equal

Yeah that's why when people claim something i now ask them to source or link it or i discard it under 'i swear bro'.

So you're now suggestion that they have new base classes? well welcome to the original point that they haven't been adding them, and it also takes you back to your issue what about people with jobs that had no class but now do? do they get exp for those new classes? the answer is yes obviously and there is no issue with that. Different is now in your suggestion they would have to make a class for each job instead of having the current existing jobs and classes available.

Why do should levels 1 - 29 even exist at that point?

The same reason it works now what do you mean, we currently are using the Class system right now there is no difference other then more choice after you level to 30 your class you can choose more jobs i didn't invent the class system.

[Bow2Bau]

Also, here’s where they talk about removing the old lvl up class system to play jobs.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/327879

As for removing classes entirely, YoshiP mentioned it in passing more as a “I wish we could remove them” never an official posting/statement

[Aragon]

Also, here’s where they talk about removing the old lvl up class system to play jobs.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/327879

As for removing classes entirely, YoshiP mentioned it in passing more as a “I wish we could remove them” never an official posting/statement

Again removing the 1 class for two jobs is not what they said and i had made a suggestion about. Rather they had 2 Classes for 1 job its the exact opposite.

Bonus. They also said they will never link 2 jobs to 1 class ever again. Aka, Arcanist, Summoner, Scholar.

Secondly, “I wish we could remove them” is not ''we will remove them'' it means '' I wish we could remove them but we cant''.

thanks for the link.

Look the Fact is they have classes, they have the class system & quests, they don't want to make anymore, they cant remove them. so this is the only way to improve it. It's simple

------------------------- Paladin
Gladiator lvl 1 - 50 <
- ----------------------- Dark Knight

------------------------ White Mage
Conjurer lvl 1 - 50 <
------------------------ Scholar

--------------------- Ninja
Rogue lvl 1 - 50 <
-------------------- Dancer

etc

2 Healers 2 DPS 2 Tank Jobs in each City State. To Start.


They will have 30 jobs in 10 years.

3 City-States.

10 Job quests activated in each city state from 1 of the class Guilds.

[BRVV]

So you're now suggestion that they have new base classes? well welcome to the original point that they haven't been adding them, and it also takes you back to your issue what about people with jobs that had no class but now do? do they get exp for those new classes? the answer is yes obviously and there is no issue with that. Different is now in your suggestion they would have to make a class for each job instead of having the current existing jobs and classes available..

Yes it has the same problems your suggestion has.

The same reason it works now what do you mean, we currently are using the Class system right now there is no difference other then more choice after you level to 30 your class you can choose more jobs i didn't invent the class system.

Having to level a base class for 30 levels = more choices? No you just added more todos. That's it.

In a world with your 2 classes for 1 job idea being used:
Sprout: "Hi. I'm new. I want to play as the Dark Knight! That's cool!"
Mentor: "Silly Sprout! You can't START as Dark Knight! You also shouldn't starting as a Tank. You need to beat the base game and get to Ishgard anyway!"
*Sprout chooses BLM and gets to Ishgard*
Sprout: "Cool! Now i can finally play as Dark Knight!"
*Mentor laughs*
Mentor: "No! You have to unlock and gain 30 Levels as ANOTHER TANK you don't want to play as first! (Maybe even doing the jobquests) AND THEN you can finally start as a Tank that will be around 30 levels under your starting job. So you can level from 30 - 50 for the third time... you know for your 'first' job."

2nd Edit: I saw people complaining that they have to level Rouge, a thief, to become Ninja but Rogue -> Dancer takes the cake. Let me entertain you with my dances after i rob you?

[Aragon]

Having to level a base class for 30 levels

It's ALREADY IN THE GAME, EVERYONE HAS TO GO 1 - 30 and then GETS A JOB no MMO EVER STARTED AT LVL 30.

In a world with your 2 classes for 1 job idea being used:

I'm being trolled at this point,

Ive said MULTIPLE TIMES its the Exact Opposite!!!

ITS 1 CLASS and 2 JOBS.

but Rogue -> Dancer takes the cake. Let me entertain you with my dances after i rob you?

You mean being distracted and then robbed? yeah happens all the time, also dancers/escorts have been used as operatives countless times.

Have you ever played 9 dragon mmorpg?

The dancers are literally the all Female faction the Sacred Flower with same exact Weapons and inspired and has real world inspiration.

[BRVV]

It's ALREADY IN THE GAME, EVERYONE HAS TO GO 1 - 30 and then GETS A JOB no MMO EVER STARTED AT LVL 30.

And here i thought Ishgard jobs start at 30, SAM and Redmage at 50 and so on... weird...

Ive said MULTIPLE TIMES its the Exact Opposite!!!

ITS 1 CLASS and 2 JOBS.

Ah sorry for the mixup. Has the same consequences though. Still forcing players to level other jobs/classes.

You mean being distracted and then robbed? yeah happens all the time, also dancers/escorts have been used as operatives countless times.

Have you ever played 9 dragon mmorpg?

The dancers are literally the all Female faction the Sacred Flower with same exact Weapons and inspired and has real world inspiration.

All dancers are robbers now? Fits great with the lore! *sarcasm*
Also "other game"... great. Can't wait for Jedi job class and space battles. WTF.

[Aragon]

And here i thought Ishgard jobs start at 30, SAM and Redmage at 50 and so on... weird...

Key words JOBS not CLASS all Classes currently start at lvl 1.

Still forcing players to level other jobs/classes.

Dont play the game then, don't play a mmorpg, don't play a mmorpg that literally requires you to level or any other suggestion like go play golden saucer. All of it is already in the game.

All dancers are robbers now? Fits great with the lore! *sarcasm*

Dancers are robbers now? The ones with Weapons are yes, especially Big Wheel weapons, I have a feeling they aren't just dancing.

[BRVV]

Key words JOBS not CLASS all Classes currently start at lvl 1.






Dancers are robbers now? The ones with Weapons are yes, especially Big Wheel weapons, I have a feeling they aren't just dancing.

BUT EVERY DANCER WOULD NEED TO LEVEL ROGUE. THIS IS YOUR SUGGESTION! DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY?
Clearly you are the troll.

Leveling 1 - 30 Thaumaturge and then get Level 50!!! Redmage is CLEARLY BETTER than starting 50... wtf

[Aragon]

BUT EVERY DANCER WOULD NEED TO LEVEL ROGUE. THIS IS YOUR SUGGESTION! DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY?
Clearly you are the troll.

Yes that is obviously what I'm saying, because i have been saying it from the start and you are coming onto my thread Mistaking my Thread suggestion and bickering about the same none sense objections.
Its very easy to level a Class, its part of the mmo experience..

I leveled my Conjurer to White mage lvl 30 in 4 hours.

It also gives the opportunity for new players, existing friends and new FC members to level up together a new class.

Level connecting the class and Jobs is a non issue.

[BRVV]

OK. Will leave you alone then. Have fun posting your ideas and getting no feedback in the future if all your reasons are just "i want it this way".
People hated to level 2 classes for 1 job because it took longer and they had to level a class they had no interest in playing. 2 classes for 1 job REINTRODUCES this problem for a lot of jobs. This is on top of the fact that all added jobs require you to have leveled another job. People dislike this. Just because YOU don't care about it doesn't make this a non-issue. The Rogue -> Dancer stuff (probably among others) makes no logical sense as the class and job have no connection lore wise.

It also gives the opportunity for new players, existing friends and new FC members to level up together a new class.

Will use this faulty logic to decrease all exp by 80% across all content. You can also reduce drops! Now you have to run the same content even more to get the same results!

Level connecting the class and Jobs is a non issue.

So every MMO starts at level 1 and jobs you can't start with need to have a class attached that starts at level 1 but jumping from 30 to 70 is fine? There clearly is no logic at all in your reasoning.