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  1. #1831
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    A video was recommended on my feed recently of Dancing Plague Normal where the run was supposedly carried by healer.
    What actually happened was the player (WHM) keeping a full up-time of Medica II. Meaning, they constantly reapply Medica II the very second it falls off. It was really hard to watch (I clicked off at 50s).

    The Aggro thread makes me wish overhealing would still rip aggro from tanks. Though I am unsure if it's possible to code to make it work. It doesn't add much engagement to healer's gameplay but at least it's something the average DF healers have to be wary of.
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  2. #1832
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    Quote Originally Posted by einschwartz View Post
    A video was recommended on my feed recently of Dancing Plague Normal where the run was supposedly carried by healer.
    What actually happened was the player (WHM) keeping a full up-time of Medica II. Meaning, they constantly reapply Medica II the very second it falls off. It was really hard to watch (I clicked off at 50s).
    One thing I really hate about healer design is that this works. I know it's unpopular opinion and many healers obsess over deleting all oGCD's and returning to a playstyle of spamming a small handful of GCD heals over and over, but I really dislike that you can just blindly churn out 1000 potency Medica II's, ignore the rest of your toolkit and get away with it.

    I do wish planning and mapping and efficient healing was rewarded with more than getting in a few extra noodle dps GCD's that barely matter.

    GCD heals are actually just too good and are an easy crutch for inexperienced players to rely on, rather than a last resort.
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    I was way off with the topic of this post.

  4. #1833
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    Quote Originally Posted by einschwartz View Post
    A video was recommended on my feed recently of Dancing Plague Normal where the run was supposedly carried by healer.
    What actually happened was the player (WHM) keeping a full up-time of Medica II. Meaning, they constantly reapply Medica II the very second it falls off. It was really hard to watch (I clicked off at 50s).

    The Aggro thread makes me wish overhealing would still rip aggro from tanks. Though I am unsure if it's possible to code to make it work. It doesn't add much engagement to healer's gameplay but at least it's something the average DF healers have to be wary of.
    I think I've seen that exact video, or maybe a similar video where it was like "clutch healer saves run" in Crown of the Immaculate normal where it was very similar. If people want to play like that, more power to them I suppose, but what annoys me is that the people who play like this also seem to be of the crowd who think that "healing would be too hard if we had more than 1 button!" and want to vehemently defend the current design that gets them an easy carry.
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  5. #1834
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I was asking more about Aqua Veil and the Flower motif being included. The Flower part I can kind of understand with the whole "I'll give you a beautiful Flower" thing with Meteion but it just feels like WHM's aesthetic design is all over the place.
    It wasn't really that surprising. We've had that sort of motif for a while. Back in Stormblood, we had a cane that literally had butterflies fluttering around the end of it. This isn't something new in Endwalker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    It wasn't really that surprising. We've had that sort of motif for a while. Back in Stormblood, we had a cane that literally had butterflies fluttering around the end of it. This isn't something new in Endwalker.
    ShB had that too for WHM with the final relic step, Blade's Mercy having butterflies floating (maybe this is what you mean)
    It's a bit confusing when SCH got Expedient which has butterflies too... why do WHM and SCH both have this aesthetic choice present in their items/abilities?
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  7. #1836
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    ShB had that too for WHM with the final relic step, Blade's Mercy having butterflies floating (maybe this is what you mean)
    It's a bit confusing when SCH got Expedient which has butterflies too... why do WHM and SCH both have this aesthetic choice present in their items/abilities?
    Nope, I mean the Antiquated Aymur, the artifact gear cane, had butterflies flying around the end. We also got the Lily mechanic in that expansion.

    They do seem to not be able to make up their mind if they want us to be a pretty pretty flower princess or a nun, since from HW, to SB, to ShB we went nun, pretty pretty flower princess, then back to nun. Though in EW they did something new and made us a wedding cake. I think that one has butterflies, too.
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  8. #1837
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    ShB had that too for WHM with the final relic step, Blade's Mercy having butterflies floating (maybe this is what you mean)
    It's a bit confusing when SCH got Expedient which has butterflies too... why do WHM and SCH both have this aesthetic choice present in their items/abilities?
    It's kind of the same question:

    Why did WHM get wings via Temperance and SCH didn't? Seems like it would have been more thematic for SCH.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 07-19-2022 at 09:08 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    This game suffer of mom spaghetti. The first time was great but longer you eat it the longer you cannot stand it. That what I feel like with this game in general. This expansion is a joke in terms transparacy with devs and playerbase. What I notice is Endwalker is semi rework of old content with the same safe content with touch of harvest moon. Don't get me wrong I want to see what about with harvest moon thing. But, devs should let us know this expansion are reworks in general.
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  10. #1839
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    It's kind of the same question:

    Why did WHM get wings via Temperance and SCH didn't? Seems like it would have been more aesthetically similar to SCH.
    Honestly, it's exactly what you'd expect to get upon eating your fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Honestly, it's exactly what you'd expect to get upon eating your fairy.
    Side effects may include: Dry mouth, constipation, a tingling in the shoulder areas, sudden brightness, . . .
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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