Why do Mi’qote ears go through Snow’s hat but not Hrothgar ears?

[SturmChurro]

It is. And all we can hope is that they look at people talking about what's going on and reconsider. But it just feels like it's set in stone now, and that garbage quality is what we'll get. That it's okay to sacrifice us.

If that really isn't their opinion, then I challenge them to be straightforward with us and say so. Otherwise that's just how we'll all be feeling. A feeling that makes us think "welp, they won't care that we feel this way, no matter how much they claim otherwise. Results speak for themselves".

Even if they do, hrothgar were still developed into a corner with their faces. Making it way harder than it should be to add options, supposedly. To me, it doesn't look like they are, although I heard that male viera are different, so maybe in the future, for viera at least, they might change their mind. At least a little bit. Hrothgar, seem to be completely out of luck, and I think when we see how female hrothgar turn out, that will be the last nail in the coffin. If they are made with just as many limitations, that just tells me they have literally no intention on ever fixing hrothgar.

[Midareyukki]

Even if they do, hrothgar were still developed into a corner with their faces. Making it way harder than it should be to add options, supposedly. To me, it doesn't look like they are, although I heard that male viera are different, so maybe in the future, for viera at least, they might change their mind. At least a little bit. Hrothgar, seem to be completely out of luck, and I think when we see how female hrothgar turn out, that will be the last nail in the coffin. If they are made with just as many limitations, that just tells me they have literally no intention on ever fixing hrothgar.

Yes, but I'm, as I always have been, implying that they'll need to unsh*t themselves and make the faces actually work properly. Whether they do or not, it's on them, but people have been asking for this to be addressed for far longer than these hairstyles have been around.

Still, I'm in "whatever" mode and just resigned myself to encourage modders as much as I can. And if Square has a problem with it, they can kiss my front bottom. Because they really have zero reasons to complain about modding being a thing if that's their paradigm going forward.

Clearly this is how they're designing the rest of the game, so why would they care?

[Alacran]

Part of the problem is that they more than likely have nothing planned & will do nothing to "fix" the issues with Hrothgar/ Viera.

This will remain the status quo until the proposed changes to character creation/ graphical in 7.0, because why spot fix particular issues when the whole of the system can be revamped?

Now this leaves the player base with the task of making the their voices heard as to whether or not the whole of the character models being recreated. The simple fix for Viera is to hide the ears or fold them completely down to the hair, the Viera still share the same head shape/ design with the original character races. Why the decision to make Hrothgar so different is the true mystery.

Thing is, Yoshi told us Hroth was always meant to be a limited race (i wont bother looking for the live letter proof but it was there., he said more on what Hroth would not have or be than ever mentioning Male Viera.

[Deveryn]

Part of the problem is that they more than likely have nothing planned & will do nothing to "fix" the issues with Hrothgar/ Viera.

This will remain the status quo until the proposed changes to character creation/ graphical in 7.0, because why spot fix particular issues when the whole of the system can be revamped?

Now this leaves the player base with the task of making the their voices heard as to whether or not the whole of the character models being recreated. The simple fix for Viera is to hide the ears or fold them completely down to the hair, the Viera still share the same head shape/ design with the original character races. Why the decision to make Hrothgar so different is the true mystery.

Thing is, Yoshi told us Hroth was always meant to be a limited race (i wont bother looking for the live letter proof but it was there., he said more on what Hroth would not have or be than ever mentioning Male Viera.

It goes something like this:

“Once more, I want people to understand that Hrothgar’s head shape is truly unique and custom made here. We created them and implemented them in this way, hoping the furries will love it"


Q: With the two new races' unique heads, how will their headgear work?

A: It won't be displayed, because those face parts wouldn't work in FFXIV's system if headgear were involved. Even Viera ears would've had to be moved down to where Miqo'te ears are. It would've been meaningless if you couldn't go all-out creating characters from these new races, so we decided that helmets wouldn't be necessary.


"well, originally the ears and the head are integrally molded and it’s the actual specifications [we need to adhere to] in order to implement Hrothgar into the game"
"The head shape we use for hrothgar is designed completely exclusively for the race. It's precisely because of this fact that we're able to create their facial appearances, and their current quality is only available because the faces and hair are completed as a set.

Originally, I had announced at the outset that we would be unable to add more hairstyles for them. However, we continued to receive comments asking for more hrothgar hairstyles to be added somehow. In order to address this feedback, we went with a plan where we would maintain the shape of the head and have the ears "hidden" in the hair"

[Midareyukki]

Thing is, Yoshi told us Hroth was always meant to be a limited race (i wont bother looking for the live letter proof but it was there., he said more on what Hroth would not have or be than ever mentioning Male Viera.

A bit convenient given how this is such a broad statement with serious implications.

Talking about limitations and issues isn't the same as labelling the race as Limited, and to my knowledge, never once has Yoshida done that on an official basis. That term was never once used to describe Hrothgar nor any other race to this date.

It may be that it's their desire implicitly, but there's nothing official about it other than talking about how hard it is to make content and how different the race is designed. Which is to be expected: it's a beast race. It's not something you can copy-paste from humans. That is obvious.

Constantly saying Yoshida did label this race as such isn't only erroneous, it is irresponsible and actually does harm to Hrothgar players. It promotes negative notions that have led to harassment from the community toward Hrothgar players.

Please watch your words.

[Deveryn]

Here's a more official note

Worth noting:
"The addition of new playable races will impact more than the development cost of the items added in 5.1 and subsequent updates. Not only will we be transitioning from twelve variations (six races, two genders each) to fourteen, but we will also need to commit more resources to the development of new emotes. While FFXIV will continue to strive to maintain a regular 3.5 month major update cycle, we must also ensure that sufficient time is secured for the meticulous development of new content—or else the quality will invariably drop. This is a complex problem that can’t be solved simply by throwing more money or people at it, as it impacts both debugging and QA."

[dapperfaffer]

Welcome to the world of MMOs, where problems exist (but some of them are in the player's head.)

While I agree that some of Mida's arguements are extreme reaches, the game being an MMO doesn't excuse the fundamental lack of development that is occuring for an increasing list of game systems.

[Deveryn]

While I agree that some of Mida's arguements are extreme reaches, the game being an MMO doesn't excuse the fundamental lack of development that is occuring for an increasing list of game systems.

I'm not making an excuse. I used to be angry about this and that. I eventually came to understand the truth: This is the nature of the beast. It's been that way for many years and it'll continue to be that way.

[XiRon]

Here's a more official note

Worth noting:
"The addition of new playable races will impact more than the development cost of the items added in 5.1 and subsequent updates. Not only will we be transitioning from twelve variations (six races, two genders each) to fourteen, but we will also need to commit more resources to the development of new emotes. While FFXIV will continue to strive to maintain a regular 3.5 month major update cycle, we must also ensure that sufficient time is secured for the meticulous development of new content—or else the quality will invariably drop. This is a complex problem that can’t be solved simply by throwing more money or people at it, as it impacts both debugging and QA."

And yet a single student was able to make every single hat fit hrothgar and hrothgar wearing those hats...lose nothing. The can still emote. All their animations work. Hats dont clip like hell thru runar or magnus or bajsaljen hairstyles. So what the hell is the issue? You cant even "modders dont have deadlines" because said modder has, for the past MANY patches and updates, worked any new headpieces into their mod the day its released in game.
So whats the issue? Why are hrothgar so thunderingly unique that making new items work is so so dofficult? Hrothgar dont even have ear emotes and if they did well crap they aint been making earslippers for Miqo lately so...?
And we know its not an issue of "cant make it work" because hrothgar can wear like...4 hats that arent head-replaced helms. They can wear yorha hats (mostly) or Edwards hat or the lv90 Alchemist hat. So why cant they haberdash a REAL hat to fit around a bigger headsize? Why wont they tell us what the issue is because god knows we'd love to hear it.
Once again, if a single unpaid student can make brand new gear work the day it drops in game, the people making the new items every patch have 0 excuse except that the excuse is yoship saying "no, our newest races deserve jack and diddly, don't work on it despite making every other new gearpiece visible on their models".

[Deveryn]

And yet a single student was able to make every single hat fit hrothgar and hrothgar wearing those hats...lose nothing. The can still emote. All their animations work. Hats dont clip like hell thru runar or magnus or bajsaljen hairstyles. So what the hell is the issue? You cant even "modders dont have deadlines" because said modder has, for the past MANY patches and updates, worked any new headpieces into their mod the day its released in game.
So whats the issue? Why are hrothgar so thunderingly unique that making new items work is so so dofficult? Hrothgar dont even have ear emotes and if they did well crap they aint been making earslippers for Miqo lately so...?
And we know its not an issue of "cant make it work" because hrothgar can wear like...4 hats that arent head-replaced helms. They can wear yorha hats (mostly) or Edwards hat or the lv90 Alchemist hat. So why cant they haberdash a REAL hat to fit around a bigger headsize? Why wont they tell us what the issue is because god knows we'd love to hear it.
Once again, if a single unpaid student can make brand new gear work the day it drops in game, the people making the new items every patch have 0 excuse except that the excuse is yoship saying "no, our newest races deserve jack and diddly, don't work on it despite making every other new gearpiece visible on their models".

Frankly, I don't know and I don't care. I'm the wrong person to ask. I suspect there's more to it than just slapping it on there after all the fact. It's clear that expectations are quite unrealistic, given that people keep whining here about it and asking the wrong people about it.

I don't see any incentive for them to even work on it, when there's a fix that's in use. Just don't tell them.