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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Casters already can switch out gear during combat and you don't see them doing it, do you?



    I'm honestly curious how you think this is in any way different from other MMOs' gear systems. A player is always "gimp" if they don't have the best gear for the situation and its even more obvious how much they are lacking when there is one set of best-in-slot gear.

    Gear changes would make more gear desired by more players because even though it might not be bis, it could be the best parrying body or has the most fire resistance (many more possibilities).

    For example, as blm you can survive hellfire from Ifrit with one nail down but you will have very little hp after. If you could change instantly (Not go all blinky for 30 seconds, many games change gear without a 5 second character disappearance per equipment, I'm sure they could do it the same in 2.0) to a set of gear that would give you fire resistance or an hp set of gear, the player wouldn't have to sacrifice their damage for the entire encounter simply to guarantee the survival of one move.



    Again, you already can change gear in combat but you are locked out of changing your class, you can however change your weapon to something that your current class can use. Ex. would be changing from Ifrit's bow to Moogle bow.

    I'm actually pro limiting the ease of class changes to something like a mog house or at least only outside of instances but that's besides the point.

    I think my biggest concern is that there will always be one best-in-slot gear set at any one time in the games existence just like any other MMO and that set of gear is almost always targeted towards maximizing your DPS. There are others things to worry about, such as enfeebling, that tend to go by the wayside when factoring in what is the best gear.

    Another issue is that bis gear automatically out-dates older gear that could still be useful simply because the +str is lower. This makes older content automatically useless. FFXI did an incredible job of making older content viable and that was partly because of the possibility of gear changing.
    Hey... do you remember that one time no one else wanted gear swap but you really did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    Hey... do you remember that one time no one else wanted gear swap but you really did?
    No man, Yoshi has to cater to his needs regardless of what other people think or what's best for the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    No man, Yoshi has to cater to his needs regardless of what other people think or what's best for the game.
    I know.. there isn't even a point to make... 75% of the people IN THIS THREAD SO FAR are adamantly against it....
    Is that not enough? Im upset that they took off the gear changing penalty in battle....

    Quote Originally Posted by Chardrizard View Post
    People aren't against gear swapping, they are against gear swapping midfight for every single freaking spells/abilities.
    exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    Hey... do you remember that one time no one else wanted gear swap but you really did?
    Yay for being a complete dick when someone brings up valid points for why a system could be beneficial instead of refuting what he says with even a moderate amount of intellectual thought. The internet rocks! Just because someone has enough brain power to come up with more than one sentence about a topic doesn't mean they are heavily invested in the idea. I'm not going to stop playing either way but gear swapping has its place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    No man, Yoshi has to cater to his needs regardless of what other people think or what's best for the game.
    Did I say gear swapping was necessary and that everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise? No, I was simply stating the pros for a system that everyone seems to be ignoring because of the inconvenience of gear swapping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Yay for being a complete dick when someone brings up valid points for why a system could be beneficial instead of refuting what he says with even a moderate amount of intellectual thought. The internet rocks! Just because someone has enough brain power to come up with more than one sentence about a topic doesn't mean they are heavily invested in the idea. I'm not going to stop playing either way but gear swapping has its place.
    Im sorry... you're right... I was actually being a dick... I'm man enough to admit that....
    I just really dont want gear swapping to be a part of this game... I like the idea of choosing your gear wisely before going into a battle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Did I say gear swapping was necessary and that everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise? No, I was simply stating the pros for a system that everyone seems to be ignoring because of the inconvenience of gear swapping.
    And everyone told you no, because it's obtuse, promotes more elitism than normal, is extremely anti new player, and is just plain not fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    And everyone told you no, because it's obtuse, promotes more elitism than normal, is extremely anti new player, and is just plain not fun.
    Thank you for being the first person in the thread to bring up actual problems with gear swapping and not statements like
    Quote Originally Posted by ClearEnd View Post
    i dont want a new game i want everything the exact same way ffxi was
    I can definitely see the downsides of gear swapping but when people are only looking at the negative of an issue, they can easily let something that might be helpful pass them by. Not saying that gear swapping is one of those topics, but it doesn't change the fact that not talking about something doesn't make it go away. I'd rather have an informed community than one that blindly follows their hatred to make decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Thank you for being the first person in the thread to bring up actual problems with gear swapping and not statements like

    I can definitely see the downsides of gear swapping but when people are only looking at the negative of an issue, they can easily let something that might be helpful pass them by. Not saying that gear swapping is one of those topics, but it doesn't change the fact that not talking about something doesn't make it go away. I'd rather have an informed community than one that blindly follows their hatred to make decisions.
    There are no positives for allowing gear swapping in battle -.- It was the one thing I really hated but was pretty much forced to do in FFXI. All it does is breed elitism and make people carry around even more equipment. I know that as a mage it was worse in FFXI, but for me being a DRG, I was carrying around....
    3 body,
    4 hand,
    3 leg,
    3 helm,
    6 rings,
    3 necklaces,
    3 belts,
    2 capes,
    3 feet, and.....
    2 lances......I mean really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    There are no positives for allowing gear swapping in battle -.- It was the one thing I really hated but was pretty much forced to do in FFXI. All it does is breed elitism and make people carry around even more equipment. I know that as a mage it was worse in FFXI, but for me being a DRG, I was carrying around....
    3 body,
    4 hand,
    3 leg,
    3 helm,
    6 rings,
    3 necklaces,
    3 belts,
    2 capes,
    3 feet, and.....
    2 lances......I mean really?
    Which means you took the time to get/save up for each and every one of those pieces of gear. Which kept you playing, and kept you doing stuff. Something we could really use a lil' more of in XIV.
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