Allowing Gear Change in Active Mode

[Ryans]

Hey... do you remember that one time no one else wanted gear swap but you really did?

Yay for being a complete dick when someone brings up valid points for why a system could be beneficial instead of refuting what he says with even a moderate amount of intellectual thought. The internet rocks! Just because someone has enough brain power to come up with more than one sentence about a topic doesn't mean they are heavily invested in the idea. I'm not going to stop playing either way but gear swapping has its place.

No man, Yoshi has to cater to his needs regardless of what other people think or what's best for the game.

Did I say gear swapping was necessary and that everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise? No, I was simply stating the pros for a system that everyone seems to be ignoring because of the inconvenience of gear swapping.

[Rydin]

Yay for being a complete dick when someone brings up valid points for why a system could be beneficial instead of refuting what he says with even a moderate amount of intellectual thought. The internet rocks! Just because someone has enough brain power to come up with more than one sentence about a topic doesn't mean they are heavily invested in the idea. I'm not going to stop playing either way but gear swapping has its place.

Im sorry... you're right... I was actually being a dick... I'm man enough to admit that....
I just really dont want gear swapping to be a part of this game... I like the idea of choosing your gear wisely before going into a battle

[Wolfie]

Did I say gear swapping was necessary and that everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise? No, I was simply stating the pros for a system that everyone seems to be ignoring because of the inconvenience of gear swapping.

And everyone told you no, because it's obtuse, promotes more elitism than normal, is extremely anti new player, and is just plain not fun.

[Ryans]

And everyone told you no, because it's obtuse, promotes more elitism than normal, is extremely anti new player, and is just plain not fun.

Thank you for being the first person in the thread to bring up actual problems with gear swapping and not statements like

i dont want a new game i want everything the exact same way ffxi was

I can definitely see the downsides of gear swapping but when people are only looking at the negative of an issue, they can easily let something that might be helpful pass them by. Not saying that gear swapping is one of those topics, but it doesn't change the fact that not talking about something doesn't make it go away. I'd rather have an informed community than one that blindly follows their hatred to make decisions.

[Chardrizard]

Casters already can switch out gear during combat and you don't see them doing it, do you?



I'm honestly curious how you think this is in any way different from other MMOs' gear systems. A player is always "gimp" if they don't have the best gear for the situation and its even more obvious how much they are lacking when there is one set of best-in-slot gear.

Gear changes would make more gear desired by more players because even though it might not be bis, it could be the best parrying body or has the most fire resistance (many more possibilities).

For example, as blm you can survive hellfire from Ifrit with one nail down but you will have very little hp after. If you could change instantly (Not go all blinky for 30 seconds, many games change gear without a 5 second character disappearance per equipment, I'm sure they could do it the same in 2.0) to a set of gear that would give you fire resistance or an hp set of gear, the player wouldn't have to sacrifice their damage for the entire encounter simply to guarantee the survival of one move.

Gear swapping is fine, everyone gear swaps to in FFXIV, they just do it before the battle.
People swap to HP+ gear fighting coincounter, mages swap to magic accuracy gear for ifrit, and so on.

People aren't against gear swapping, they are against gear swapping midfight for every single freaking spells/abilities.

[Inaaca]

Casters already can switch out gear during combat and you don't see them doing it, do you?

There has been so little selection of gear anyways that it hasn't even been worth it. Lately though, we've been getting more and more gear that would be considered "situational," and thus this thread pops up.

As for the rest of your post, I personally prefer having to strategize about which gear would be best for me before starting a fight, weighing the pros and cons between gear, and going with that. With gear swaps, it takes the strategy out because you can just get all the gear for any situation and change to that at any time. There's no need to make these careful decisions anymore if you can use the best for any situation at any time.

I will agree with you on one point though, in that gear swapping creates more of a reason to utilize a larger selection of the gear available in the game. This is a double edged sword however, in that it also carries the risk of forcibly burdening one's inventory with multiple gear sets per class just to avoid being "gimped." This also makes it much more difficult for casual players to keep up with the bar that will inevitably be set by the community, due to the larger list of "requirements."

[KyrsIsley]

I'm honestly curious how you think this is in any way different from other MMOs' gear systems. A player is always "gimp" if they don't have the best gear for the situation and its even more obvious how much they are lacking when there is one set of best-in-slot gear.

Gear changes would make more gear desired by more players because even though it might not be bis, it could be the best parrying body or has the most fire resistance (many more possibilities).

For example, as blm you can survive hellfire from Ifrit with one nail down but you will have very little hp after. If you could change instantly (Not go all blinky for 30 seconds, many games change gear without a 5 second character disappearance per equipment, I'm sure they could do it the same in 2.0) to a set of gear that would give you fire resistance or an hp set of gear, the player wouldn't have to sacrifice their damage for the entire encounter simply to guarantee the survival of one move.

Imagine fighting Chimera as a tank. Oh! Lightning is coming, swap to lightning resist. Oh! Ice is coming, swap to ice resist. Oh! Fire is coming, swap to fire resist. Oh, my flash/provoke is up, swap to enmity gear. Oh! My HP is low, swap to healing gear for self heal. What if one day they introduce a boss/mob with all elemental spells, are you telling me that to be optimal/beneficial, you will need every set of resist gears + enmity gear + healing gear? In my honest opinion, gear swapping in mid fight was an extremely broken system that eventually became the norm of a game. I am here for FFXIV, not FFXI-2.

In addition, to make more gears desired by more players isn't the same as making them carry multiple sets of gears for every possible encounters in a given battle.

[Wolfie]

In my honest opinion, gear swapping in mid fight was an extremely broken system that eventually became the norm of a game. I am here for FFXIV, not FFXI-2.

Didn't early dev interviews about FFXIV specifically say that gear swapping in FFXI was considered an exploit and bug by the devs, but they couldn't take it out because people already became so reliant and used to it?

[Griss]

Didn't early dev interviews about FFXIV specifically say that gear swapping in FFXI was considered an exploit and bug by the devs, but they couldn't take it out because people already became so reliant and used to it?

I Don't remember that being said exactly. But i do seem to recall hearing that they were kind of surprised about how much /equip was used. If they viewed it as a exploit that they couldn't fix. Well they did piss all about stemming the issue with there itemization.

Dev1: Wow, it looks like there swaping every single bit of gear they have. I was expecting them to swap in that Hmp staff to rest.
Item guy1: So do you want me to start designing some strong gear thats not hyper spesific so they don't have to do that?
Dev1: What? No make those gloves with 200% slow and 30 attack that we were talking about.

[Inaaca]

Imagine fighting Chimera as a tank. Oh! Lightning is coming, swap to lightning resist. Oh! Ice is coming, swap to ice resist. Oh! Fire is coming, swap to fire resist. Oh, my flash/provoke is up, swap to enmity gear. Oh! My HP is low, swap to healing gear for self heal. What if one day they introduce a boss/mob with all elemental spells, are you telling me that to be optimal/beneficial, you will need every set of resist gears + enmity gear + healing gear? In my honest opinion, gear swapping in mid fight was an extremely broken system that eventually became the norm of a game. I am here for FFXIV, not FFXI-2.

In addition, to make more gears desired by more players isn't the same as making them carry multiple sets of gears for every possible encounters in a given battle.

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This is exactly why I don't like the gear swap system. Instead of having to make decisions about which gear you should equip for a fight, a gear swapper would just collect things for every situation and bypass any strategy involved in gear selection.