This frequency of English localization issues is unacceptable

[Raoabolic]

You're clogging it up anyways with nonsensical garbage.

I didn't realize an actual translation was "nonsensical garbage". Besides, don't be upset. The english fanbase is getting a proper "localization" without those pesky direct translations! You are getting exactly what you want in this game!

[GrizzlyTank]

I didn't realize an actual translation was "nonsensical garbage". Besides, don't be upset. The english fanbase is getting a proper "localization" without those pesky direct translations! You are getting exactly what you want in this game!

Or you could stop being hysterical over a subjective topic.

If you are so obsessed with the original scripture then you should stick to it.

[Raoabolic]

If you are so obsessed with the original scripture then you should stick to it.

I'M TRYIN' BUT YOU PEOPLE WON'T LET ME! lol
Besides, why did you come into a thread complaining about something only for you to go "NO, YOU'RE WRONG!" Seems really out of place, lol.

[GrizzlyTank]

I'M TRYIN' BUT YOU PEOPLE WON'T LET ME! lol

The moment a text is translated it is no longer deemed the same even if the translated language has the same structure as the source language.

[Midareyukki]

The moment a text is translated it is no longer deemed the same even if the translated language has the same structure as the source language.

It happens all the time. ESPECIALLY in idioms and jokes. You know how a joke loses all humour if you explain it? It feels even worse if you translate it into another language while trying to keep it in the same structure. It just won't work. Even if it does, some stuff's just too cultural to be properly conveyed.

[Raoabolic]

The moment a text is translated it is no longer deemed the same

Then the translator failed in their job. You might as well use google translate and just piece it together yourself. Again though, why are you so adamant about this? You won, we get a localized version of the script, not a proper translation. No need to spike the ball. :^)

[Midareyukki]

Then the translator failed in their job. You might as well use google translate and just piece it together yourself. Again though, why are you so adamant about this? You won, we get a localized version of the script, not a proper translation. No need to spike the ball. :^)

That is not at all how it works, under any stretch, and it just shows that none of you should be discussing translation xD

A translated text isn't the same as the original text, but the translator's job is to keep it both as faithful as it could be to the source text, but also sounding as natural as possible for the person it was translated for. If you go for google translate, you won't have a translated text, you'll just have a mess. Barely calls itself a text. But, yeah, that's why translation is nuanced as all hell, because at one point or another, you need to alter something in the text to make it work on the target language. And at that point you can't really say it's "the same", even though the structure is mostly the same. I gave the example of a joke, but that's the thing, as long as a joke is there, that's all you really can do. You normally can't put a joke that works in one language into another. Not without a lot of intrusive translation notes and explanations. And therein lies the rub. Many people think a translation note is acceptable, because it will at least inform the reader... but you're messing with the text and the product directly. And thus you end up having to admit that it's no longer the original text Just a translated version + explanations.

Oh and protip here: don't put official documents and texts in Google Translate. Google keeps everything people put in it. Without going into technical detail, it's just so they can then reuse their translations for similar texts. Sure, they periodically filter stuff out... but if you're working on a product, even as an amateur game translator, you're going to put the script for the game onto Google. And that's a copyright violation. A few translators have been caught doing that and it net them a world of trouble.

I know it's a troll, but I'm saying this jic people actually think you're serious.

[GrizzlyTank]

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Although Google translate, deepl and probably some other translators using the newer generation neural network models have gotten surprisingly good.

[Ransu]

Then the translator failed in their job. You might as well use google translate and just piece it together yourself. Again though, why are you so adamant about this? You won, we get a localized version of the script, not a proper translation. No need to spike the ball. :^)

Let me know when you become fluent in Japanese then, because I can speak Japanese and English and we have the same damn script/plot points as the Japanese. Subtle differences in localizations does not change anything.

[KageTokage]

Let me know when you become fluent in Japanese then, because I can speak Japanese and English and we have the same damn script/plot points as the Japanese. Subtle differences in localizations does not change anything.

People have already cited multiple examples of how the subtle differences can have not-so-subtle effects on how a scene can be interpreted or how easily it's understood.

It's easy to say it doesn't change anything from your perspective, but XIV appeals to a wide audience and what comes across as painfully obvious to one individual can be extremely confusing to another, even in the case of people who are actually trying to pay attention to the lore and take it all in. I often see others asking for clarity to scenes/events I had no trouble understanding both on the lore forums and in-game; some of which were not reliant on remembering details from earlier in the story.

Though I suppose whether or not it's worth "dumbing down" the script and making it drier for the sake of accommodating those who aren't as sharp is subjective.