What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Tama-Kanzashi]

This is a very small forum. I guarantee you the amount of players that loved the Endwalker story vastly surpasses the number here that had issues with it.

You cannot prove this. Even if you could, being the minority would not make an opinion less valid.

[Reap00]

You cannot prove this. Even if you could, being the minority would not make an opinion less valid.

I don't have to prove it. You know it is true.

[Xeronia]

This is a very small forum. I guarantee you the amount of players that loved the Endwalker story vastly surpasses the number here that had issues with it.

I wanna know how that makes this *checks numbers* 626 (Dang it my post made it 627) page thread any less valid? I do believe many good arguments have been presented here and probably taken into account in some regard given statements like "Magical Girl Y'shtola was too much" from 6.1's Q&A after it's released.

[Tama-Kanzashi]

I don't have to prove it. You know it is true.

Which means you can't prove it, or you can't be bothered because you know the results would not be to your liking.

And with that, this exchange is over.

[Seera1024]

I don't have to prove it. You know it is true.

While I'm in the boat that enjoyed Endwalker, neither side can prove which side is in the minority and which side is in the majority.

[Theodric]

Yeah. Either way, there's a decent amount of players who weren't all that thrilled by how certain characters and factions were handled during the big finale. So they're expressing their thoughts in the hope that something may be done about it. Maybe nothing will happen but it's better to try than to remain silent, I reckon. Certainly, I think World of Warcraft would be doing much better for itself at present if it hadn't mishandled many beloved characters in the quest to prop up a select few at the expense of others.

[Jagick]

While I'm in the boat that enjoyed Endwalker, neither side can prove which side is in the minority and which side is in the majority.

Excuse me, I'm going to have to ask you to leave this establishment. We don't permit such maturity here.

[Striker44]

I wanna know how that makes this *checks numbers* 626 (Dang it my post made it 627) page thread any less valid? I do believe many good arguments have been presented here and probably taken into account in some regard given statements like "Magical Girl Y'shtola was too much" from 6.1's Q&A after it's released.

It's simple numbers and human nature. This thread has been going for a long time, but the actual number of unique posters is still small, and smaller still the subset within that group complaining about the game. There are hundreds of thousands of active players at the moment in just the NA servers; the forums make up the tiniest speck of the smallest sliver of the actual playerbase. Then you factor in human nature, where people who are satisfied with something are much less likely to actively comment about it compared to people wanting to complain. Meaning many of those hundreds of thousands that we're not hearing from are much more likely to be happy with EW. Add to it traveling to other places such as Youtube videos of the story or the music, and you'll see a wide variety of people commenting almost universal praise and enjoyment of EW. Heck, even Reddit - usually a cesspool of negativity - waxes positive when it comes to FFXIV and EW.

On topic, I seriously hope they didn't take the Y'shtola thing and actually listen to the stiffed up whiners. That was awesome!

[Xeronia]

It's simple numbers and human nature. This thread has been going for a long time, but the actual number of unique posters is still small, and smaller still the subset within that group complaining about the game. There are hundreds of thousands of active players at the moment in just the NA servers; the forums make up the tiniest speck of the smallest sliver of the actual playerbase. Then you factor in human nature, where people who are satisfied with something are much less likely to actively comment about it compared to people wanting to complain. Meaning many of those hundreds of thousands that we're not hearing from are much more likely to be happy with EW. Add to it traveling to other places such as Youtube videos of the story or the music, and you'll see a wide variety of people commenting almost universal praise and enjoyment of EW. Heck, even Reddit - usually a cesspool of negativity - waxes positive when it comes to FFXIV and EW.

On topic, I seriously hope they didn't take the Y'shtola thing and actually listen to the stiffed up whiners. That was awesome!

Then maybe take that issue up with Yoshi P himself or this slide from GDC 2014 about ARR.

[Thaciscokidd]

It's simple numbers and human nature. This thread has been going for a long time, but the actual number of unique posters is still small, and smaller still the subset within that group complaining about the game. There are hundreds of thousands of active players at the moment in just the NA servers; the forums make up the tiniest speck of the smallest sliver of the actual playerbase. Then you factor in human nature, where people who are satisfied with something are much less likely to actively comment about it compared to people wanting to complain. Meaning many of those hundreds of thousands that we're not hearing from are much more likely to be happy with EW. Add to it traveling to other places such as Youtube videos of the story or the music, and you'll see a wide variety of people commenting almost universal praise and enjoyment of EW. Heck, even Reddit - usually a cesspool of negativity - waxes positive when it comes to FFXIV and EW.

On topic, I seriously hope they didn't take the Y'shtola thing and actually listen to the stiffed up whiners. That was awesome!

But thats the gist of it. We will never have a clear indication where the true feeling of the player base is unless its in game.

Its one of the reasons I think that one Omega side quest is the way it is. What better way to poll the player base than to poll them without them knowing. Those who skip story and complain will miss the prompt and those who read and have an opinion will pick there opinion.

You could argue one way but there's always a counterpoint. With your reddits/twitter you have the Chans which go in the opposite direction. That's probably why you have more lurkers than participators in threads like this. You have people who come here and get labeled trolls for negative criticism just as fast as someone with positive criticism being labeled as white knights.

This is a forum. Everyone has the right to say what they want to say. I wish more would participate because with this forums the bigger the page count the more likely someone will look at it(the main reason the JP forums use mega threads and will quickly point new threads to there appropriate spot.) More discussion (good or bad) helps out everyone in the end.