Be nice to nooob tanks ffs

[LeonKeyh]

Really? The only healer class below level 30 is Conjurer, and the first WHM instant-cast heal (Regen) comes at level 35, and the next is Benediction at level 50 (with a 3 minute cooldown).

So, Katoar, since you are apparently a healer expert, enlighten us: what is this off-GCD healing spell that a Conjurer/WHM should be using on W2W pulls by newbie tanks?

Nobody said "at low level." OP specifically has all of their tanks at 71+

[Silverbane]

So, Katoar, since you are apparently a healer expert, enlighten us: what is this off-GCD healing spell that a Conjurer/WHM should be using on W2W pulls by newbie tanks?

Nobody said "at low level." OP specifically has all of their tanks at 71+

OP's tanks may have risen a few levels since they posted TWO MONTHS AGO.
And besides, aren't most newbie tanks encountered at low levels?
OP wasn't asking people to just be nice to OP.

And even with that, at level 71, WHM has no off-GCD heals that don't have long cooldowns. You really think you can keep a newbie tank up in a W2W pull with only Benediction, Tetragrammaton, and Divine Benison, as Kotar prescribes?

Or have I forgotten something? I could have, since I pretty exclusively run Sage over WHM on the three characters I have with jobs at level 70 or above.

[LeonKeyh]

OP's tanks may have risen a few levels since they posted TWO MONTHS AGO.
And besides, aren't most newbie tanks encountered at low levels?
OP wasn't asking people to just be nice to OP.

And even with that, at level 71, WHM has no off-GCD heals that don't have long cooldowns. You really think you can keep a newbie tank up in a W2W pull with only Benediction, Tetragrammaton, and Divine Benison, as Kotar prescribes?

Or have I forgotten something? I could have, since I pretty exclusively run Sage over WHM on the three characters I have with jobs at level 70 or above.

Person posted 2 hours after the OP posted pointing out that all of their tanks were 71+

No. YOUR tanks are all 71+. Pull the room or go do Trusts.

If your tanks were all < 50, then I would understand you "learning this shiz."

This is the scope that people were talking about because this is the scope that was set up, a "noob" tank that is level 71+ that is "still learning."

You're really leaning on WHM who is a "GCD healer" as some "got ya" knowing damn well it's the one that (kind of) fits into your argument but also kind of not. If you consider that Lilies are DPS neutral now, the Lilies could be argued to being "OGCDs" from a practical sense. But, yes, Tetra, Regen, and Divine Benison are enough to keep up most tanks.

[Illmaeran]

But there is nothing wrong with there being a certain level of expectation at higher levels that the said player would have a better understanding of game and class mechanics.

I disagree with this; let's use my alt an example. She's a level 90 warrior who capped out right before finishing the standard Shadowbringers 5.0 content; not 5.X, 5.0, and hasn't gone any farther since. It's 100% entirely possible for someone to be way over leveled for their place in the story and have very little experience tanking dungeons at that progression level. I've tanked Crystal Tower, ARR and Heavensward dungeons, and Alexander a ton; but very little past that so I don't really have a good sense of a WAR's full kit as I've never run anything past 5.0 content and Copied Factory. The moment I lose Sprout is the moment people start making assumptions and get their knickers in a twist if I don't play her like I've got many years of experience .

As a second example, my main. Back in ARR I decided to level PLD to 50 for giggles then didn't play it until mid-6.0. Picking it up again was stressful, to say the least. Here I was, someone with two 90s playing a level 50 PLD with full Poetics gear running roulettes that most lvl 90s expect people who aren't new to it to have run it a bajillion times. Yes, I'd run them a bajillion times on my level 90 DPS classes, but never as a tank, and yes, I caught some shit from people for not living up to expectations. I had literally not played the class in 7 years and had never tanked a lot of the content I was now running. Unfortunately, not having the sprout icon and no "New Player here's your Poetics Bonus" pop up at the beginning causes people to make certain assumptions that aren't always accurate.

We all have to keep in mind that this community is full of people of all levels of experience and the whole range of learning ability. For some, the kinesthetic nature of the game is how they learn best, but for others it's not so it takes them a lot longer to get things down. If someone's not pulling all of the packs at once, keep your thoughts to yourself, and let the tank do their thing.

[Katoar]

Really? The only healer class below level 30 is Conjurer, and the first WHM instant-cast heal (Regen) comes at level 35, and the next is Benediction at level 50 (with a 3 minute cooldown).

So, Katoar, since you are apparently a healer expert, enlighten us: what is this off-GCD healing spell that a Conjurer/WHM should be using on W2W pulls by newbie tanks?

WHM is the only healing job which doesn't get an oGCD healing ability until the end of ARR. AST gets Essential Dignity at level 15. Scholar and Sage get oGCD Single Target regen known as Fairy and Kardia respectively at level 4 as well as oGCD AoE regen known as Whispering Dawn and Physis at level 20.

Newbie tanks usually don't even know how to properly pull wall to wall in Satasha and other low-level dungeons so most won't even do it. But regardless of whether they are new to the role or not, if tanks pull wall to wall in low-level content and you have picked WHM, you heal with GCDs obviously. Those starting dungeons are a very small part of the game and a lot of classes don't even have AoE in there. Should we now assume DPS ought not to use AoEs on mob packs even after they become available?

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

It gets even better. I've done raids, asked to tank a pull, and there's still some clown insisting on tanking everything. I've even see a tank on the main boss provoke adds off one of the off-tanks.

[Katoar]

And even with that, at level 71, WHM has no off-GCD heals that don't have long cooldowns. You really think you can keep a newbie tank up in a W2W pull with only Benediction, Tetragrammaton, and Divine Benison, as Kotar prescribes?

Or have I forgotten something? I could have, since I pretty exclusively run Sage over WHM on the three characters I have with jobs at level 70 or above.

I stopped playing WHM precisely because its kit fights against the game encounter and logical reasoning. It is the healing job with the least amount of buttons, until very recently had always DPS tax associated with its lilies even after getting the DPS refund button known as Misery and always has been and still is the most clunky healer to play.

[SilverSkyway]

I'll give props to anyone who tanks and am always nice to tanks. I tried tanking and it's not for me.

[LeonKeyh]

-snip- The moment I lose Sprout is the moment people start making assumptions and get their knickers in a twist if I don't play her like I've got many years of experience .

-snip-

We all have to keep in mind that this community is full of people of all levels of experience and the whole range of learning ability. For some, the kinesthetic nature of the game is how they learn best, but for others it's not so it takes them a lot longer to get things down. If someone's not pulling all of the packs at once, keep your thoughts to yourself, and let the tank do their thing.

That's because once you lost your sprout you've been playing the game for 450 hours AND at least completed the previous expansion. If it were a single player game, you would have beaten it 12+ times with a playtime like that. Your example of this alt that "only" ran 5.0 content doesn't really track on why you couldn't run higher level dungeon content. Most jobs get 1-2 new abilities that don't change the base way that you play the job.

Yes, the game is filled with various experience levels and learning ability. But tanks play the same way regardless of the number of packs pulled, so it's not really a valid reason to not pull everything. Healers are really the only role that plays differently whenever you do W2W pulls and that's just that they need to heal a little bit more. If someone is not pulling all the packs, pull for them, they can just sit there and keep hitting their 1-3 AE buttons.

[Silverbane]

... whatever ...

What is that saying people have? Oh right:

"You don't pay my subscription, so you don't get to control how I play."