So is no one still excited for Island Sanctuary...

[VelKallor]

As for the island sanctuaries, why dont we wait and get more details before throwing asparagus?

[Sad-Panda]

I would pay them not to make Eureka or Bozja type stuff required for relics anymore. They could take that entire budget to make one minion instead and I would consider it money better spent.

I do agree, I would prefer not to have another Zone of Grind. Make it like the earlier relic grinds, where the point was to keep older content alive.

[BaconBits]

lol

[Vahlnir]

So, IMO, no, I dont see any "disasters" anywhere.

Then you are living under a rock. I hope it is comfortable at least.

[HeyMcFly]

Then you are living under a rock. I hope it is comfortable at least.

I'm surprised there are still people who defend everything SE/FFXIV team does lol

Where they have put alot of time & effort in, sure it's been done well- where they haven't though is glaringly obvious

I'm with you here, that person is living under a very steep rock. I just see it as "very out of touch" on alot of things folks have been requesting for years and more have joined that band-wagon as seeing the lack of dedication to improving features like housing & cosmetics- cosmetics like hrothgar hair not removing ears. I don't think even GW2 has issues like that and Charr (cat/beast race) have 4 ears but none of their hairstyles remove them AND CHARR ARE THE MOST IGNORED RACE IN GW2- why is it the FFXIV team thought this was okay, didn't look further into requests & just winged it only to be met with dissatisfaction which they were confused by? That is so out of touch, that if a hand was placed nothing would be felt lol

Which I'll bet they'll also deny

[GeminiReed]

... - why is it the FFXIV team thought this was okay, didn't look further into requests & just winged it only to be met with dissatisfaction which they were confused by? That is so out of touch, that if a hand was placed nothing would be felt lol

I get the sense that Viera and Hrothgar were added in a panic. I seem to remember the "we've been told no more new races" was mentioned before it was announced Yoshi-P was added to Square's BoD. So instead of one race we got two half completed ones.

The "incompatible" heads is the real head scratcher. That should never have happened, not without a good reason. My glass half full thought is that they're built on the new rigs for the Graphical Update project. The half empty side is that there was a completely uncharacteristic breakdown in design discipline. If the second were true that doesn't explain all the neglect, the tone-deaf responses, and outright silence.

Some explanation about what happened and what they plan to do to address it would go a loooooooong way towards quelling the justified anger. Clamming up just because there are perpetual complainers is not a good excuse.

[SturmChurro]

I get the sense that Viera and Hrothgar were added in a panic. I seem to remember the "we've been told no more new races" was mentioned before it was announced Yoshi-P was added to Square's BoD. So instead of one race we got two half completed ones.

I have said something similar to this before in several of my arguments on the forums. Being their "last chance", meaning the last chance to add one of the most heavily requested races (viera), and a beast race to round out the races. Limiting features such as "unique heads", having limiting factors also conveniently means these races would require less upkeep for the future. I do not believe they are "half completed", but intentionally designed this way. They are completed.

[Deveryn]

I get the sense that Viera and Hrothgar were added in a panic. I seem to remember the "we've been told no more new races" was mentioned before it was announced Yoshi-P was added to Square's BoD. So instead of one race we got two half completed ones.

The "incompatible" heads is the real head scratcher. That should never have happened, not without a good reason. My glass half full thought is that they're built on the new rigs for the Graphical Update project. The half empty side is that there was a completely uncharacteristic breakdown in design discipline. If the second were true that doesn't explain all the neglect, the tone-deaf responses, and outright silence.

Some explanation about what happened and what they plan to do to address it would go a loooooooong way towards quelling the justified anger. Clamming up just because there are perpetual complainers is not a good excuse.

I don't know about a panic, but definitely a great deal of pressure. Hearing them talk about male viera at the last fan festival gave me this impression. It sounded like something they had to really find the time to get done and we were told the same for female hrothgar. That there's little in the way of functional headgear indicates the same issue. This just stands as a prime example of requests that are made without much thought into how it will affect the team and what they'll actually be able to do.

[SturmChurro]

I don't know about a panic, but definitely a great deal of pressure. Hearing them talk about male viera at the last fan festival gave me this impression. It sounded like something they had to really find the time to get done and we were told the same for female hrothgar. That there's little in the way of functional headgear indicates the same issue. This just stands as a prime example of requests that are made without much thought into how it will affect the team and what they'll actually be able to do.

Agreed. People wanted their male viera and they wanted it now. Female hrothgar were just a hanger-on. It didn't matter what Yoshida said about how costly the addition of races are, how they were just able to maintain their patch schedule with female viera and male hrothgar. This happens quite often with requests, but regardless, it's not like they had to do male viera. Similarly, many people started making their own expectations for island sanctuary, even though Yoshida literally said, several times even, if I recall correctly, to keep expectations tempered.

[GeminiReed]

Limiting features such as "unique heads", being a limiting factor also means these races would require less upkeep for the future. I do not believe they are "half completed", but intentionally designed this way. They are completed.

If Square believes that these two races are feature complete then they deserve every bit of criticism, every bit of anger, every unsub in disgust over not doing their job. If people put up with half-assed products we'd still be drinking Zima, cutting our hair with Flow-bee's and driving Yugo's. (I'm sure I could come up with better examples if I put my mind to it).

If you're happy with how these races have turned out, great. The rest of us will hold Square's feet to the fire until they're fixed.