SE: Open up Regional Travel for OCE PLEASE !

[Supersnow845]

My guess here is because no one moved their raiding main. I certainly didn't. I've raided with my core group for almost 10 years now, since T4. There was no way we were up and leaving our NA friends. Had cross region been avaliable - had we the option to move to OCE but still raid with our established communities, I seriously would have considered moving my main. I think all of us would have.

But Japan said no, so... here we are.

Edit: Also I can't unlock savage on my OCE character because I can't get any queues for normal
ha ha ha help us.

I don’t want to repeat myself on the forums often but Ravana is third on English speaking savage clears

It’s obvious raiding on materia is fine, people seem to struggle to do old side content like DRS for example, raiding seems to be totally fine because the vast majority of its population like it’s peak time and raid during its peak time for better or for worse

[Lecresia]

I don’t want to repeat myself on the forums often but Ravana is third on English speaking savage clears

I understand the strong desire to see the data center that one loves succeed, but this is patently misleading. If you are looking at the Savage:Normal ratio (as you claimed in a previous post), Ravana is at best joint fourth with several other servers at 22%, with plenty of other non-crystal servers close by in the 20%-26% range. Moreover, one server a datacenter does not make: the other OCE servers do not have astounding clear ratios. It would be silly to judge the whole of Aether based on the performance of Gilgamesh; why do the same for OCE?

More importantly, when you are looking for people to fill your parties, percentages should not be what you are concerned with, but absolute numbers. And in this metric the numbers are glaring. With the available numbers, 1564 characters have cleared P4S in the whole of OCE, which is less than the clear numbers of single SERVERS on NA or EU, let alone JP.

If the data center is to succeed, it would be best to look at it from as objective a point of view as possible so that the appropriate solutions can be found. Unfounded hopium is as dangerous as unfounded dooming and glooming.

[Iscah]

If the data center is to succeed, it would be best to look at it from as objective a point of view as possible so that the appropriate solutions can be found. Unfounded hopium is as dangerous as unfounded dooming and glooming.

If the data centre is to succeed, people need to have a little faith and patience to let it build up the numbers over time, and not expect it to be immediately comparable to long-established regions.

[Supersnow845]

I understand the strong desire to see the data center that one loves succeed, but this is patently misleading. If you are looking at the Savage:Normal ratio (as you claimed in a previous post), Ravana is at best joint fourth with several other servers at 22%, with plenty of other non-crystal servers close by in the 20%-26% range. Moreover, one server a datacenter does not make: the other OCE servers do not have astounding clear ratios. It would be silly to judge the whole of Aether based on the performance of Gilgamesh; why do the same for OCE?

More importantly, when you are looking for people to fill your parties, percentages should not be what you are concerned with, but absolute numbers. And in this metric the numbers are glaring. With the available numbers, 1564 characters have cleared P4S in the whole of OCE, which is less than the clear numbers of single SERVERS on NA or EU, let alone JP.

If the data center is to succeed, it would be best to look at it from as objective a point of view as possible so that the appropriate solutions can be found. Unfounded hopium is as dangerous as unfounded dooming and glooming.

I mean how is it objective to look at it from a rate of absolute clears, a server with 100 people and a 50% clear rate has less clears than a server with 10,000 people and a 1% clear rate but nobody would deny the smaller server has a higher talent raiding population, plus on top of this Ravana has almost half of Materias capped population so looking at Ravana as a “measuring stick” for materia so to speak is totally fair. Looking at Gilgamesh as a way of tracking Aether is different because Gilgamesh isn’t an outsized server within aether

Sure I might be a bit excessively optimistic but high optimism has a much better chance of growing the server than dooming

[Aragon]

If the data center is to succeed, it would be best to look at it from as objective a point of view as possible so that the appropriate solutions can be found. Unfounded hopium is as dangerous as unfounded dooming and glooming.

Its just semantics from a clear rate to use as a coping mechanism. Fact is this, the ones that have their head in the ground like a emu are worse then dooming and glooming because atleast people here are coming with suggestions on how to improve and make the DC a better experience and SE can take from what suggestion works. And to others saying it will take time, yes it took the other Regions a Decade and it will take us a Decade to reach smaller numbers (because its the oce Region not the Americas) so there should be no reason not to encourage suggestions of improvement such as op post because of the want to improve the current situation they may consider gloomy.

[Supersnow845]

Its just semantics from a clear rate to use as a coping mechanism. Fact is this, the ones that have their head in the ground like a emu are worse then dooming and glooming because atleast people here are coming with suggestions on how to improve and make the DC a better experience and SE can take from what suggestion works. And to others saying it will take time, yes it took the other Regions a Decade and it will take us a Decade to reach smaller numbers (because its the oce Region not the Americas) so there should be no reason not to encourage suggestions of improvement such as op post because of the want to improve the current situation they may consider gloomy.

I didn’t think anyone disagrees with OP’s suggestion but half this thread is that one guy going “servers dead I moved back tonberry and you should as well”

We all want materia to grow and prosper but way too often legit suggestion threads devolve into dooming and glooming and legit wrong takes like it being impossible to clear savage or that materia has pathetic clear rates compared to the other data centres

[Lecresia]

I mean how is it objective to look at it from a rate of absolute clears, a server with 100 people and a 50% clear rate has less clears than a server with 10,000 people and a 1% clear rate but nobody would deny the smaller server has a higher talent raiding population, plus on top of this Ravana has almost half of Materias capped population so looking at Ravana as a “measuring stick” for materia so to speak is totally fair. Looking at Gilgamesh as a way of tracking Aether is different because Gilgamesh isn’t an outsized server within aether

Sure I might be a bit excessively optimistic but high optimism has a much better chance of growing the server than dooming

Because the entire discussion surrounding OCE is about population. The complaints have been about long queue times and not being able to fill parties, not about the talent or the skill level of the average raider (which is really difficult to measure in any case).

A server with 100 people and a 50% clear rate would have 50 people available to fill your parties. A server with 10,000 people and a 1% clear rate would have 1000. If you're looking to fill your static or fill your "clear for fun/parse" party on a Thursday, which server do you think would have a more realistic chance of filling the party?

This is not to say that OCE is doomed. My point is merely to show that (1) clear PERCENT is not a useful metric for those complaining about population issues and (2) that absolute population size is the far more important metric for those worried about long queue times or parties not filling, which, based on current numbers, is not rosy. So it comes down to this: Is faith and patience all that is needed (as Iscah mentioned in the comment above yours?) If so, how long should people reasonably be expected to wait before voicing their concerns? If not, what other measures should Square take (like opening up regional travel to OCE, which is the request of this thread)?

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[Supersnow845]

Because the entire discussion surrounding OCE is about population. The complaints have been about long queue times and not being able to fill parties, not about the talent or the skill level of the average raider (which is really difficult to measure in any case).

A server with 100 people and a 50% clear rate would have 50 people available to fill your parties. A server with 10,000 people and a 1% clear rate would have 1000. If you're looking to fill your static or fill your "clear for fun/parse" party on a Thursday, which server do you think would have a more realistic chance of filling the party?

This is not to say that OCE is doomed. My point is merely to show that (1) clear PERCENT is not a useful metric for those complaining about population issues and (2) that absolute population size is the far more important metric for those worried about long queue times or parties not filling, which, based on current numbers, is not rosy. So it comes down to this: Is faith and patience all that is needed (as Iscah mentioned in the comment above yours?) If so, how long should people reasonably be expected to wait before voicing their concerns? If not, what other measures should Square take (like opening up regional travel to OCE, which is the request of this thread)?

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That’s totally fair

Though I mean people above are also saying “nobody moved their mains” and “OCE doesn’t have a talent pool”, hell there was a conversation above where people were having a full discussion about why clear rates for raids were so low on materia when they really aren’t, that is more the point I was making.

I’m totally in favour of doing more to incentivise OCE, bonuses, square actually fixing the horrible choice in IP that causes people in SEA to reroute through LA and have 400 ping, opening up data centre travel is also an option if they can do it. I more just really don’t like it when people make deliberately untrue statements about the state of OCE as a way of dooming and glooming the servers potential. I fully admit I’m excessively hopeful but I still think that does more for the server, few people say the server is problemless but people seem to seriously exaggerate how bad it is, like I’ve seen people go “oh my god why is aglaia taking 4 hours to pop” and they are queuing at 3am AEST

[Iscah]

absolute population size is the far more important metric for those worried about long queue times or parties not filling, which, based on current numbers, is not rosy.

It's a self-defeating thing, though. If everyone says "it's too small, I'm moving back to Tonberry" then the server becomes even smaller and will take a longer time to reach critical mass.

[Aragon]

It's a self-defeating thing, though. If everyone says "it's too small, I'm moving back to Tonberry" then the server becomes even smaller and will take a longer time to reach critical mass.

self defeating would be to pretend everything's dandy and there is no validity, one person already moved another may have said they were moving and explaining why and made suggestions.