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  1. #51
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    I know it doesn’t really solve the problem in the short term (the server just needs time to grow based on the recent survey materia shrunk less on average than other servers during the content drought) but materia has a really strong PF and discord scene, you can do everything on materia you just have to know how to queue for it, using DF and relying on a massive population to force it proc like on NA or JP doesn’t really work but the content can be done very effectively

    Always try party finder if you are struggling with DF or request from a large FC, most are totally glad to help; we want materia to grow, not doom and gloom it
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osteichthyes View Post
    Queue times are definitely hard to swallow, basically you have to know when the server is doing things. Additionally, while it already had a small population, it is now even smaller since we are in the "content drought" section. Other data centers can get away with this since there will still be a decent number of players around, even with a large portion going on break. OCE on other hand just doesn't have the population to not be affected.

    If we had more people who transferred to OCE on launch from both OCE and SEA, then the server would be completely fine, but that was never going to happen. People already had established friends and communities, and staying was the safe option. Even if the server was in SEA, it would still have the same problem where most players wouldn't move. It wouldn't be as bad, but it would still be pretty bad.

    NA, JP, and EU have huge advantages of having players other time zones, across the world, or having large populations where people work night shifts or just play really late, which OCE really doesn't so once it's no longer peak hour, the queue really goes up.

    Unfortunately, there really isn't much that the devs can do about it since it's a demographic issue and not a development issue. You can get things done on OCE, it just takes a little effort and a lot of PF. OCE is pretty much 100% PF to make up for the lower numbers, and it's almost always a good idea to throw one up. Instead of queueing and hoping that other people will queue for roulette, PF just let's you advertise your intent, and you can generally get things done if DF isn't playing nice. That is not to say it's guaranteed, many a PF has timed out, but it is your best option.

    That being said, I made the move and I'm planning on making the most out of it. OCE has a ton of potential, but until we get more access to playing with other regions, it's going to be a lot of wait times (unless a ton of people decide to move, which won't happen). I'm really going to be more decided on patch day since that's when everyone should be coming back.

    I'd kill for some hard statistics from the developers though.
    there was a P4S clear rate posted a few weeks ago, its all in Japanese but materia was below 20% clear rate where as other regions are way into the 40-50% clear rates in comparison.

    The data is very skewed as most raiders didn't transfer mid-tier, but it really shows how much a low percentage of players on materia actually do the content.

    Since moving back to tonberry, everyone from ive met that has transfered back has said that they will not be returning to materia due to the lack of people doing actual content.
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  4. #53
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    Ravana had the third highest clear rate of an English speaking server, clear rates are always higher on Japanese servers but materia isn’t underperforming relative to its population

    Plus it suffered from its mid tier launch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    materia isn’t underperforming relative to its population
    Yep, Materia is growing steadily and doing fine despite all the clumsy roadblocks SE threw at us.

    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    Since moving back to tonberry,
    You've left the DC, so it's really about time you stop 'doom and glooming' the vast bulk of us who stayed and are quite happy with the DC and it's community. I am sure most people will wish you well and hope you have a lot of fun on the JP server.

    Good luck in your future gameplay, Dix.
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    It's not really doom and gloom though.

    Materia is already a small data center comprising of only 5 worlds compared to the usual 8 in NA/JP and soon to be EU as well.

    Not just that, a significant portion of characters on Materia are alt characters meaning the actual level of player activity is severely reduced since most players will be focusing on their mains and only hop onto their alts for some RP stuff during a lull in content.

    To pretend that playing outside the peak hours which is just a short 3-4 hr period per day is okay is disingenuous. People have been posting their experience about the long wait for queues to pop only for naysayers to shoot them down just to pretend everything is a bed of roses, yes a bed of roses with thorns in actuality where everything looks great from the outside but you discover issues dejen you dig deeper.

    And I say all these having an alt character in Oceania as well so it's first hand experience albeit anecdoctal since just one player.

    Materia simply needs cross data center travel to survive or else the player base over here will just dwindle and die off as players continue to leave the game or for other data centers.
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  7. #56
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    Vel Kallor
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    Materia simply needs cross data center travel to survive or else the player base over here will just dwindle and die off as players continue to leave the game or for other data centers
    .

    Materia is growing , and will continue to do so over time. it is one server, and 5 logical servers, we are seeing new players every single day.

    We will do fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    The data is very skewed as most raiders didn't transfer mid-tier, but it really shows how much a low percentage of players on materia actually do the content.
    Sure, but it doesn't tell you why people aren't doing the content.

    At very least – and I think this would be interesting for all data centres – I think you'd need to compare those completion stats for P4S to the completion of P4N (to see how many people choose to progress to savage after beating the story mode) and probably also the level 90 MSQ trial to show how many people are able to access Pandæmonium in the first place.

    And even then, the non-completion numbers won't show the difference between an RP alt and a would-be raider still making their way through the MSQ.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 07-03-2022 at 01:14 PM.

  9. #58
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    I mean Ravana has the third highest English speaking clear rates of P4S compared to P4N so people are completing the content
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    Sure, but it doesn't tell you why people aren't doing the content.
    My guess here is because no one moved their raiding main. I certainly didn't. I've raided with my core group for almost 10 years now, since T4. There was no way we were up and leaving our NA friends. Had cross region been avaliable - had we the option to move to OCE but still raid with our established communities, I seriously would have considered moving my main. I think all of us would have.

    But Japan said no, so... here we are.

    Edit: Also I can't unlock savage on my OCE character because I can't get any queues for normal
    ha ha ha help us.
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    Last edited by Tigerlilley; 07-03-2022 at 06:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilley View Post
    But Japan said no, so... here we are.
    few month back transfered from eu to a JP server for endgame stuff, and sadly i wished i knew that it was like this with JP server ...
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