Disappointed Dragoon.

[Vatom]

Seems pretty complex to me

This always makes my day

As for Drg either very good or very Verwy BAD no in between

[Deveryn]

Never said either version was actually difficult, but at least within the rework I feel like im...actually doing stuff. Old summoner was boring in a solid 80 percent of content and felt more braindead then even dancer outside of trying to pay attention to the cast bar. The over reliance on dots was the most un-fun part of any class at the time imo. Now I actually go out of my way to pay attention to what summons I have left in this round when running around a dungeon. Far more engaging then "mmm yes, throw dots. Spam button". But go off fam. After lvling it from 1 to 80 on 3 different characters, id say the only one to have a worse lvling experience was blackmage. The only time summoner felt even slightly engaging was maxed content, and even then, it only felt that way due to still learning fights and managing cast bars. While new summoner is by no means hard, its far more engaging. And the feeling of at least being engaged by the job is going to make it feel more difficult.

Can't seem to like this enough.

DoTs were definitely the worst part (after the pets). Then there was that whole ruin stacking thing you built up for when you needed some maneuverability or had to fill in some space between trances. It was all a clunky process. You wouldn't even use titan because the shield didn't give a stack. What was the point of being summoner if you didn't use all your summons? I don't understand how anyone can say things were better when something like that was going on.

The revamp streamlined that and basically add more trances and let you decide when to use them. The best part was getting full control of our DPS and that handy shield.


I love the fear of DRG being treated like summoner when it's not even broken or makes use of pets. If anything, they're tidying a few things up in the name of future-proofing.

[Treesus]

Seems pretty complex to me

I feel this would make a better DNC meme then a SMN meme. Then again maybe a Simon says would be better for DNC since thats all the class feels like.

[Treesus]

Can't seem to like this enough.

DoTs were definitely the worst part (after the pets). Then there was that whole ruin stacking thing you built up for when you needed some maneuverability or had to fill in some space between trances. It was all a clunky process. You wouldn't even use titan because the shield didn't give a stack. What was the point of being summoner if you didn't use all your summons? I don't understand how anyone can say things were better when something like that was going on.

The revamp streamlined that and basically add more trances and let you decide when to use them. The best part was getting full control of our DPS and that handy shield.


I love the fear of DRG being treated like summoner when it's not even broken or makes use of pets. If anything, they're tidying a few things up in the name of future-proofing.

Pets were a total mess and anyone who defends them should be regarded with a grain of salt at best. Dots are just boring. I do realize there are those who enjoy them, but on a majority the player base has shown they dont. While ill never mourn their loss, maybe we will see a DOT focused class so the 5 whiny old summoner mains can have their due. Trances just felt off. And yes, titan was a massive mistake in old summoner that had little to no use. As per usual, there will always be a handful of people who cry about how things once were, while a majority either dont care or are pleased by the changes. Just so happens that the ones who are angry are usually also the ones going on a board to cry about it. I think square has shown a pretty straight forward change in class ideals as changes have gone forward, and are on a majority doing the same type of changes to most classes. Personally, I enjoy them. I far more enjoy the snappy faster paced combat of how most jobs currently play to the older styled buff reliant job styles of HW and Stormblood. Most jobs in themselves are not even hard. 99 percent of every job is muscle memory, and the few times its not is only applied to a handful of classes. Tanks and casters for the most part given how they are the ones most needed to actually know mechanics. People cowering in fear are just doing so because they are stuck in an older form of combat ideals that square has shown a blatant distaste for, and instead of doing anything worthwhile, they simply scream into the everyawning void of the interent how things were SOOO much better before. It is how it will always be. While im not going to say jobs are prefect currently (healers being one MAJOR issue currently), I think most are fun. Ive lvled everything to 80, 3 different times for my 3 different characters. All the jobs I use to dislike the most are low and behold the ones getting reworks/changes. Untill we see the changes, I do think its silly for anyone to get up in arms. But its the internet. Rationality is in short supply here.

[Nizzi]

DoTs are fun and I won't stop asking for them back on SCH, SCH players didn't want them removed

[Treesus]

DoTs are fun and I won't stop asking for them back on SCH, SCH players didn't want them removed

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it doesn't seem the majority of players agree. Look, ill say it plain, I hate dots. In every mmo. I do hope for the players who do enjoy them that you all get thrown a bone. 7.0 seems like it should be including a new caster class, so even though ill probably never play it, heres hoping its a dot heavy class. As for dots on SCH....eh? I dont play enough of it to really have any opinion at all. Got it to 80, never touched again. Not a fan of shield healers personally. I know 1 off and on again SCH main and they dint seem to have strong opinions either way. With them its usually just a constant low pitched screaming about how he loves and hates pets at the same time.

[Nevermind]

"Don't worry guys machinist lost everything that made It unique except the turret/queen so the devs could add more things along the way!" Then MCH gets like 20 potency on drill and air anchor all through out shadowbringers. "Well yea they save the good stuff for the next expansion" Nice another 90 second cooldown :^). The class is exactly the same as before

"Don't worry the summoner rework will be amazing because you get to summon PRIMALS" literally gutted the class, removed all complexities because everyone and their mom should be given a shiny good job you did It you pressed a button class.

Whats unique about DRK? TBN? cool an ability that keeps that class crippled because the devs can't seem to give DRK anything else because TBN lmao other than that Its all edge.

Sam dodge a bullet with only having Kaiten removed but even then there were a lot of players confused as to why or straight up didn't want It removed, It was an ability that did something simple and had a cool animation, but sure lets blame button bloat again.

There Is a reason people are skeptical about the announced changes to DRG and AST, for Dragoon the only thing I can think of that would be nice is a change to the eye buff being made to be like dancer and thats it leave the damn class alone. But for AST? thats even more confusing to me, unless they are finally removing Undraw or helping with their busy opener, there should be a near zero reason for them to change AST they just got reworked with the xpansion launch.

[Shurrikhan]

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it doesn't seem the majority of players agree. Look, ill say it plain, I hate dots. In every mmo. I do hope for the players who do enjoy them that you all get thrown a bone. 7.0 seems like it should be including a new caster class, so even though ill probably never play it, heres hoping its a dot heavy class.

Are you conflating your individual opinion with "the majority of players" there? There's no hard evidence to suggest that more players disliked interactions around DoTs or other soft CDs than liked them.

Additionally, why should those who liked DoTs only be "thrown a bone" via a new job, instead of the already functional, DoT-centric ones that were already in play?

"You seem to be enjoying that. But hey, I the majority of players would prefer that what you like is removed. Still, here's some charity, unnecessary though it may be. You might even enjoy it the half as well as what you enjoyed before."

[Nizzi]

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it doesn't seem the majority of players agree.

SCH is consistently the 2nd lowest played healer despite the ShB changes, the ShB SCH ""rework"" is well hated and the DoTs are consistently asked to be given back, just go look at any suggestion thread for SCH or healers and Miasma, Bane and Shadow Flare will constantly come up as things people want back. I don't care what the majority of players agree with when the majority of players aren't playing SCH to begin with, even with the ShB gutting the job is still consistently the 2nd least played healer in the game. Maybe it's time for SE to accept that making it 'WHM with a book' hasn't brought people to the job? If the majority of players didn't find DoTs fun, they could just... not play SCH? Seems like the appropriate action, especially considering SCHs weren't asking for them to be removed in the first place.

I don't see why we should need a "new DoT caster!" when that's what SCH was. Give SCH back.

[Treesus]

SCH is consistently the 2nd lowest played healer despite the ShB changes, the ShB SCH ""rework"" is well hated and the DoTs are consistently asked to be given back, just go look at any suggestion thread for SCH or healers and Miasma, Bane and Shadow Flare will constantly come up as things people want back. I don't care what the majority of players agree with when the majority of players aren't playing SCH to begin with, even with the ShB gutting the job is still consistently the 2nd least played healer in the game. Maybe it's time for SE to accept that making it 'WHM with a book' hasn't brought people to the job? If the majority of players didn't find DoTs fun, they could just... not play SCH? Seems like the appropriate action, especially considering SCHs weren't asking for them to be removed in the first place.

I don't see why we should need a "new DoT caster!" when that's what SCH was. Give SCH back.

As said, I have so little knowledge about SCH that I have little to no input on it. While id guess that square will probably just keep doing stuff to try and make it more appealing to others, I can also see the argument of just letting you guys have your thing since most people are uninterested anyways. Healers in general seems to be in an odd state, and even with more popular ones, I cant say I think any of them are in a good state. My whole "hope you get a new one" wasent meant to be mean or sarcastic. I just dont really see square giving old scholar back, so id say a new dot focused class may be the best situation. While I dont enjoy dots, I do genuinely hope you get something. Either scholar being given them back, or something new all together. Maybe we will see the kaiten changes be revoked, which will give perhaps some hope to square reverting certain changes.