Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[Alleo]

I would like some transparency from them to see if there's a specific reason we wouldn't expect relic zones like the 2 previous expansions, but I think cost and overall negative reception to zones like the original Diadem, Eureka, and Bozja over the years can be to blame. I can't remember the Matsuno tweets specific words, but it seemed that Bozja was abruptly cut off from an order from above. The team who does the stuff like that seems to be working things like criterion dungeons and the new PotD that was teased anyhow and that could also be reasons for it.

We do get a whole big island with Island Sanctuary and we will get a new Deep Dungeon. (And these new dungeon types too) I would take a guess and say that this might be the reason that we might not get new zones for the relic. Or maybe the new dungeon types are connected to the relics thus we do get new zones, just in a smaller dungeon type of way.

On this topic:

I really dont get the "we wont get world building"...how do you know we dont? Just because there could be more humor in these quests (and we dont even know that) doesnt somehow mean that we also cant get information about the world too. Godbert himself is a well known Goldsmith and if those new dungeons are tied to it we will probably get new lore there too.

Can we just at least wait until we have done the content before we send it to hell? If you dont like doing Hildebrand then fine complain about that (its your right to do) but already putting the whole content down even though we barely knew anything about it? That feels like wanting to complain for the sake of it.

[Jason_Ashford]

it's funny how most of the vitriol is coming from people who outright refused to do the quests and they act like this is the worst thing ever. meanwhile im sad we only have 1 Manderville quest in EW thus far, but it was so jampacked with over the top chaos that i loved every second of it.

[Jason_Ashford]

We do get a whole big island with Island Sanctuary and we will get a new Deep Dungeon. (And these new dungeon types too) I would take a guess and say that this might be the reason that we might not get new zones for the relic. Or maybe the new dungeon types are connected to the relics thus we do get new zones, just in a smaller dungeon type of way.

On this topic:

I really dont get the "we wont get world building"...how do you know we dont? Just because there could be more humor in these quests (and we dont even know that) doesnt somehow mean that we also cant get information about the world too. Godbert himself is a well known Goldsmith and if those new dungeons are tied to it we will probably get new lore there too.

Can we just at least wait until we have done the content before we send it to hell? If you dont like doing Hildebrand then fine complain about that (its your right to do) but already putting the whole content down even though we barely knew anything about it? That feels like wanting to complain for the sake of it.

honestly i am excited to see what kind of weapons we'll get inspired by manderville.

[Dawn465]

I've done all of the relic quests aside from ARR as it was too much of a grind for me when the game first started, eventually ill double back and finish my PLD relic. With that being said, most of the relic quests do involve the SIDE story of working with Gerolt to make the weapon and laughing at him but the MAIN story being told is always within the zones we got.

Eureka followed the Island of Val and finding out what happened to it, bozja we're helping fight the war and reclaim land. I can't remember what the old diadem was like anymore but even HW relic hardly takes up any comedic tones besides whatever interactions with Gerolt.

See the difference? The comedy and jokes and light hearted moments were saved for those small moments. The fear here is that by tying the relics to the gold saucer and Hildebrand, that the comedy and jokes will now become the central theme of everything involving the weapon. Hence why people think we'll be getting joke weapons.

Beyond that it is just in bad taste to force people to double back and complete quests they never wanted to do in the first place. I get that the dev team spent time and money making these quests and tried their best to meet fan demand by bringing Hilde back, but forcing people to do his stuff now is not the way to go. Especially when it culminates to "if you don't like it then skip it", I'm pretty sure no one on the dev team was working with that mindset in mind so I have to wonder why would they do this knowing the backlash they'd get. They were literally laughing when making the announcement, pretty clear to me they knew how reactions would turn out.

And with all of that out of the way I'll state my biased opinion which is: its crazy to me that people are complaining about Bozja and Eureka of all things, they're both (Bozja not so much) fun zones and provide you with a new style of game play. It's one of the few pieces of content that break off from the stale state that the game is in right now and it even provides you big gil payouts. From everyone I've ever helped through Eureka and Bozja, they've loved it. Personally it just sounds to me that the players who "didn't enjoy" Eureka/Bozja are just players that never actually tried to get through it because of how daunting it all seems. Try again, they're both very engaging and more fun than 80% of the content we have in the game.

[Lau298]

emet? fascist?

[Derio]

Theoretically these could be the strongest weapons in history simply due to the best blacksmith and goldsmith coming together. If anything they will at least look better than the horrible looking Shadowbringer relics.

[Alleo]

See the difference? The comedy and jokes and light hearted moments were saved for those small moments. The fear here is that by tying the relics to the gold saucer and Hildebrand, that the comedy and jokes will now become the central theme of everything involving the weapon. Hence why people think we'll be getting joke weapons.

Beyond that it is just in bad taste to force people to double back and complete quests they never wanted to do in the first place. I get that the dev team spent time and money making these quests and tried their best to meet fan demand by bringing Hilde back, but forcing people to do his stuff now is not the way to go. Especially when it culminates to "if you don't like it then skip it", I'm pretty sure no one on the dev team was working with that mindset in mind so I have to wonder why would they do this knowing the backlash they'd get. They were literally laughing when making the announcement, pretty clear to me they knew how reactions would turn out.

And with all of that out of the way I'll state my biased opinion which is: its crazy to me that people are complaining about Bozja and Eureka of all things, they're both (Bozja not so much) fun zones and provide you with a new style of game play. It's one of the few pieces of content that break off from the stale state that the game is in right now and it even provides you big gil payouts. From everyone I've ever helped through Eureka and Bozja, they've loved it. Personally it just sounds to me that the players who "didn't enjoy" Eureka/Bozja are just players that never actually tried to get through it because of how daunting it all seems. Try again, they're both very engaging and more fun than 80% of the content we have in the game.

Why is it tied to the Gold Saucer? Just because Godbert will probably be in it? They could make joke weapons but they could also simply make another set of normal weapons too. Lets just wait until we see them and if they are then joke weapons one can still complain.

Maybe the story will be mostly serious with a bit of humor sprinkled in. We have no idea in this case and honestly should wait until we have done it. Then jugde it.

For Bozja you too were forced to do Ivalice. Group content with many cutscenes that some might not have wanted to do. At least with Hildebrand you can do it mostly alone (most of the trials there can be soloed) and can skip a huge amount of it. You cant skip the Ivalice raids if you want to do Bozja. You have to run the raids. Yet now its suddenly so bad?

Not only that but if you simply dislike Eureka (and Eureka was hated a lot on the forums in the past. It exploded when that content came out) then you are bascially out of luck with the whole relic questline. And with Bozja there seems to be a problem with people doing it later because certain instances are not done much often.

Maybe we finally get another relic quest that we can do with a whole variety of content and that might still be doable expansions down the line.

And about your point about liking the content: Sorry I have tried Eureka and hated it. Its an absolute boring grind which I never finished. Bozja was a bit better and I did finish one relic but I was quite happy to be done with it. (It also helped that you could get a lot of stuff outside of Bozja). People who like it have a huge amount of zones and grind to do it. Now it might be time for others to get their way of grinding. Not every expansion relic have to be Eureka or Bozja-like.

[Kuroka]

Oh i enjoy that greatly, as ive done all Quests long ago... Just as much as i like how the tataru stuff needs mhach xD

[Imora]

why do people hate hildibrand? im just curious

I just don't find humor based on stupidity funny.

[Jason_Ashford]

I just don't find humor based on stupidity funny.

and that's fair, but for people to say that this is dumb, or the worst thing ever because they are required to do side content to unlock the new relic weapon are just being whiny. they probably also whined about Bozja requiring the Ivalice raids because the idea of new content being tied to older content is just soooooo unacceptable.