Do you want instanced housing?

[SturmChurro]

If done well, instanced housing could be a lot better than the plots we have now. Not only could it be more creative in terms of locale, but also theoretically everyone could have a mansion. I don't see why someone wouldn't want it.

ESO charges $150 for some of those houses. And has full blown lootboxes where all the cosmetics go these days.

Really not a standard to be aiming for.

While that is true, I have gotten houses for free. Years ago I got massive castle for free. You can still do a lot without having to spend a lot, but yes, I'd say it's overly monetized, and it ruins how good it could be.

[Shougun]

ESO charges $150 for some of those houses. And has full blown lootboxes where all the cosmetics go these days.

Really not a standard to be aiming for.

Lootboxes can take a hike, so I'm not going to address those lol but just for player refrence on the houses:

Most expensive house I could find was 19k. If you pay the monthly sub (since we're a monthly sub MMO it seems fair to suggest), you'd earn 1,650 'crowns' a month. So it would take you a year to purchase the most expensive house. It is worth also noting that they have a number of gold purchase-able, and even quest-able, largest size houses. So not only can you earn a house, of any sort, way easier than FFXIV, but compared to a number of users here you probably could earn a largest size much sooner (or at all) compared to FFXIV. Since ESO doesn't run out of slots, so many players here never get to experience a large because there are not enough. Many years later they might get a large, maybe- meanwhile in ESO it's going to take you 'tops' a year to earn the largest size house.

The thing I think that bothers me the most with the crown houses is that they have an element of FOMO to them, which I'm sure is intentional to push people to non-passively purchase the house.

So just to reference to people, you can own many houses in ESO, you can own some of the largest size houses without money, you can own some of the cash shop exclusive houses via passively paying your sub, but there would be situations where you'd have to spend real money specifically on a house if you wanted ALL the houses.

Sans lootbox I would still say ESO has better housing system (FFXIV better objects :3), given that you can actually own so many houses. After a couple houses though, what's the point besides giggles? Imo at least. We can barely own 1 in FFXIV- and you sometimes are forced into an option set you didn't even want, yet you could easily own many in ESO without paying a sub, and especially with paying a sub you could own THE house you wanted (and those big houses have more slots than FFXIV's, reminding players that you can own multiple.. of the houses that have more slots and more space than FFXIV.. FFXIV's system just makes me grumble lol).

But I would agree this isn't the pinnacle example of a friendly system, but I just wanted to add details onto how it functions and that depending on your goals it's not that bad (when we narrow onto housing, lootboxes of course can jump off the nearest aetherial stream into the void).

[Vahlnir]

While that is true, I have gotten houses for free. Years ago I got massive castle for free. You can still do a lot without having to spend a lot, but yes, I'd say it's overly monetized, and it ruins how good it could be.

With ESO's sub you can get their premium currency monthly, and after x amount of months have passed, bam, you can buy a fancy house for free. That's probably the only thing that I approve of as far as ESO's shop is concerned.

[Raoabolic]

ESO charges $150 for some of those houses. And has full blown lootboxes where all the cosmetics go these days.

Really not a standard to be aiming for.

And like the other posters said, if you pay for a sub you will get that house eventually with their Bethesda funbux. Gee SE, why does Bethesda give the good children who have subscriptions free fun money but we don't?

[Fiel_Tana]

100% Yes!

Housing is a big part of this game and so many of us are locked out of it right now and I don't see that changing without adding instanced housing. Having an apartment is nice, but it's not the same thing at all.

For the people concerned that it would be like the WoW garrisons where everyone just sat in their own instance, I don't see that happening since FFXIV is inherently more social to begin with in many ways. Besides, if that were a problem then personal apartments would have caused it here anyway and they clearly haven't.

[SturmChurro]

With ESO's sub you can get their premium currency monthly, and after x amount of months have passed, bam, you can buy a fancy house for free. That's probably the only thing that I approve of as far as ESO's shop is concerned.

I don't really consider that free. You are paying for that premium currency, as part of the sub, but aside from that, it's actually just a manipulation tactic to get people into the cash shop.

[Shougun]

100% Yes!

Housing is a big part of this game and so many of us are locked out of it right now and I don't see that changing without adding instanced housing. Having an apartment is nice, but it's not the same thing at all.

For the people concerned that it would be like the WoW garrisons where everyone just sat in their own instance, I don't see that happening since FFXIV is inherently more social to begin with in many ways. Besides, if that were a problem then personal apartments would have caused it here anyway and they clearly haven't.

I think a core issue that Garrisons created is even a solve-able one though. Just don't make a war table require you to baby sit it so much... Heck, if they wanted that exact system but not the problem- just make a UI you can open from anywhere lol.

On top of that you can enhance other elements with further social designs, like now we have houses for everyone- perhaps the seasonal events should be held in wards? Make city inn spaces grant sanctuary bonuses faster (or perhaps a buff even), so logging out in your house is not bad, but if you were going stand about and chill.. Try the miner's guild for fine entertainment . (I would love SE take take roleplay gameplay more seriously in general as an aside note, a simple and cheesy game example would be earning a buff around a campfire in WoW).

[Azuri]

And like the other posters said, if you pay for a sub you will get that house eventually with their Bethesda funbux. Gee SE, why does Bethesda give the good children who have subscriptions free fun money but we don't?

We get fun stuff directly available in the game. Without the need for fake fun money designed to hide the real value of cash shop items.

Defending monetization system as aggressive as ESO's is truly a hill to die on. You do you, king.

[Raoabolic]

We get fun stuff directly available in the game. Without the need for fake fun money designed to hide the real value of cash shop items.

Defending monetization system as aggressive as ESO's is truly a hill to die on. You do you, king.

Who's defending? I'm saying both are bad and SE is double dipping, nothing more. Are you saying you are okay with a cash shop in a subscription based game? That's a strange hill to die on. :^)

[Neoyoshi]

No, but I wouldn't mind seeing Demolition turned back on, at some point; eventually.