1 House 1 FC per DC Only

[Caitlinzulu]

We need to stop suggesting more layers of bandaids to keep this sinking ship afloat, we need to instead push for a fix to the housing that involves enough supply for everyone.

A billion dollar corporation should be able to achieve this.



Raubahn Ex was a temporary problem, and fixed in the first patch. Let's stop making up excuses for Yoshi's failures.

I'm not making excuses for anyones failures. How is it Yoshi's fault that server hardware is just about impossible to get a hold of?
Do you realise that sometimes there is no clear easy solution, or simply sometimes the answer is just no.
They try to supply us but its slow going. Could the design have been done better? perhaps but we simply dont know

[Divinemights]

I'm not making excuses for anyones failures. How is it Yoshi's fault that server hardware is just about impossible to get a hold of?
Do you realise that sometimes there is no clear easy solution, or simply sometimes the answer is just no.
They try to supply us but its slow going. Could the design have been done better? perhaps but we simply dont know

Just to let you know, everything on this forum will end up as fault of Yoship/SE
Most of posters here are rational.
They don't have any single clue on how server infrastruce or corporation works but they will choose to bury themselves into idea of billion dollar corp should be able to do anything.

If you are using their logic, US as strongest nation on this Earth with most advanced medical technology and accumulated wealth, why are they not offering free Public Health care to their citizen who is paying tax?
They probably cant even answer that

[YukikoKurosawa]

Just to let you know, everything on this forum will end up as fault of Yoship/SE
Most of posters here are rational.
They don't have any single clue on how server infrastruce or corporation works but they will choose to bury themselves into idea of billion dollar corp should be able to do anything.

If you are using their logic, US as strongest nation on this Earth with most advanced medical technology and accumulated wealth, why are they not offering free Public Health care to their citizen who is paying tax?
They probably cant even answer that

The level of mental gymnastics you will do to rationalize and justify every single thing wrong about this game and how the devs are handling it, and try to spin it on being the players' own fault instead every single time, is genuinely impressive.

[Divinemights]

The level of mental gymnastics you will do to rationalize and justify every single thing wrong about this game and how the devs are handling it, and try to spin it on being the players' own fault instead every single time, is genuinely impressive.

Well, I am more mature, understand what is going on around the world, and also non stop learning and adopt to changes, this is why I didn't struggle on Frontline or Crystal Conflict
I also don't expect any Japanese gaming firm from Nintendo to SE has capability to provide stable networking environment to support current FF14 player size with that outdated server infrastructure .
Just because FF14 is making money for SE but failed to realized all of other SE's recent games flopped and there is another gigantic money sucking black hole called FF7R tribology also showing people don't understand how corporation works
It is same logic, US is strongest nation on this planet and in control of global wealth but not offering free public health care, why?

[Jojoya]

It is same logic, US is strongest nation on this planet and in control of global wealth but not offering free public health care, why?

I know it's off topic but you've asked this a few times so here's the answer:
Capitalism.

Most of our medical system is controlled by for-profit corporations that would really hate for something like free public health care to screw up their profits. Their money influences politicians and helps pay for demagoguery that feeds on the fears of those who loathe socialism and anything that hints of it - such as free public health care. There are a lot of radicals that would be happy to watch their neighbors die for lack of healthcare as long as it meant the US isn't tainted by socialism.

I don't think that's really a good choice for comparison here, even if corporate greed is an underlying reason. One is influenced by political philosophy; the other is influenced by design choice.

Something i haven't ever seen commented on is how is the interior decorating of tbe housing in these other games? Are you as free as in ff or do they have as much or more furniture?

Varies from game to game. I can't speak for them all since I haven't played them all.

I do have a lot of experience with RIFT's Dimensions. Instance sizes vary greatly, along with the items limits each one has. Limits can be increased through game currency though the final tier requires real money instead. As an example, one of my favorite Dimensions has a base item limit of 400 items. You can upgrade it all the way to 2000 items using game currency but if you use real money it can be upgraded to 2800 items.

It's not really interior decorating as such because the Dimension is usually an outdoor zone that may already have buildings placed or that you can add buildings to. There's no loading screen to separate indoors from outdoors.

Item placement is X,Y, and Z axis (no glitch tricks. Items can be rotated anyway you want (really want an upside down pond? go for it). Items can be resized (has limits of course but the range is very generous). Items can be placed anywhere you want within the Dimension boundaries (and to some degree outside of them though you can't move your character outside the boundary. Want a forest inside of your house or a dining table and chairs at the bottom of a pond? Go for it. There's a huge number of items to choose from.

The art aesthetic for the game is a bit on the rough side so FFXIV has an edge there but functionally RIFT Dimensions are superior.

Here's a video of player creations that the RIFT Community Team put together shortly after housing had been added to the game. It has a few brief demonstrations of the control features at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV8ovq0sAnM

[Eraden]

I know it's off topic but you've asked this a few times so here's the answer:
Capitalism.

Most of our medical system is controlled by for-profit corporations that would really hate for something like free public health care to screw up their profits. Their money influences politicians and helps pay for demagoguery that feeds on the fears of those who loathe socialism and anything that hints of it - such as free public health care. There are a lot of radicals that would be happy to watch their neighbors die for lack of healthcare as long as it meant the US isn't tainted by socialism.

I don't think that's really a good choice for comparison here, even if corporate greed is an underlying reason. One is influenced by political philosophy; the other is influenced by design choice.

Speaking from the point of view of a Canadian, it's a bit more nuanced than what you are suggesting, Jojoya. From my point of view, Capitalism itself is not completely a bad thing. The problem is that American health care is heavily burdened by insurance companies and a culture of massive litigation. Here in my Province of Saskatchewan, we do have the involvement of insurance companies but litigation is highly restricted. In most cases, successful litigation against malpractice returns a payout that more or less just covers damages and cost of rehabilitation. There are no multi-gazillion dollar payouts. That helps keep costs down. We have state-sponsored healthcare (and contrary to popular belief, it's actually really good) that is designed to keep costs down but we also allow fee for services in some areas of medicine. A bit of Capitalism is not a bad thing. Unrestricted Ferengi-style Capitalism on the other hand, well, that hurts everyone in the end.

[MilkieTea]

Speaking from the point of view of a Canadian, it's a bit more nuanced than what you are suggesting, Jojoya. From my point of view, Capitalism itself is not completely a bad thing. The problem is that American health care is heavily burdened by insurance companies and a culture of massive litigation. Here in my Province of Saskatchewan, we do have the involvement of insurance companies but litigation is highly restricted. In most cases, successful litigation against malpractice returns a payout that more or less just covers damages and cost of rehabilitation. There are no multi-gazillion dollar payouts. That helps keep costs down. We have state-sponsored healthcare (and contrary to popular belief, it's actually really good) that is designed to keep costs down but we also allow fee for services in some areas of medicine. A bit of Capitalism is not a bad thing. Unrestricted Ferengi-style Capitalism on the other hand, well, that hurts everyone in the end.

From the PoV of an American, who experiences this medical system - it's exactly as Jojoya states.

For-profit Insurance companies lobby politicians to maintain the current status quo, which means high costs for medications, hospital bills, etc
Ferengi-style capitalism is *still capitalism*.

[Shibi]

I'm not making excuses for anyones failures. How is it Yoshi's fault that server hardware is just about impossible to get a hold of?

I don't buy the community-invented excuse that this task is impossible because an endless number of servers are needed.

A player should use a fairly steady amount of server resources in terms of CPU cycles and RAM, instanced housing requires disk space. SANs and NASs can be obtained. The shortage isn't as bad there for top name enterprise grade storage solutions.

If I am inside a house, or inside a dungeon - it's still me using my cycles and memory bytes. Instanced housing, needs diskspace.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

I don't buy the community-invented excuse that this task is impossible because an endless number of servers are needed.

A player should use a fairly steady amount of server resources in terms of CPU cycles and RAM, instanced housing requires disk space. SANs and NASs can be obtained. The shortage isn't as bad there for top name enterprise grade storage solutions.

If I am inside a house, or inside a dungeon - it's still me using my cycles and memory bytes. Instanced housing, needs diskspace.

This is close to the mark - it actually touches close to the reason we cannot have glamour dressers; database issues and you cannot just tear that down as I suspect that houses/glamour dressers are entities unto themselves as are retainers.

This is why you can select recovery of items for only select things - I suspect your house actually owns you; that's why the permissions are the way they are (this is theory). Instanced housing is likely no so much about diskspace but rather database communication - and becomes even more tricky once you start giving OTHER players access.

Kind of why you cannot make people tenants of your apartment.

And I suspect it would be a inch to a mile - instanced housing becomes a issue once you start the conversation "now where is my yard"; why do I have such a low item limit? I want a bigger home then what I got.

It will just keep escalating.

I mean not sure how big a deal housing "actually" is; I played games since UO (the OG game with housing scarcity). I remember with DAOC got housing which just turned into npc parking spots...AC had catered only to the elite. Wildstar crashed and burned, LOTRO was a nice idea but generally unneeded, Horizion was a gold rush, ArchAge was probably the closest to FF 14 imo.

The thing all those games have in common...
None managed to stay "sub to play" for a decade - though i *think* two might have a premium player option now...

[Greyhawk]

I'm not making excuses for anyones failures. How is it Yoshi's fault that server hardware is just about impossible to get a hold of?

Actually, it is. The most obvious point, is the buck stops with him on game decisions, including hardware. This has been and will continue to be, a complete failure and lack of planning.

Secondly, hardware has been used as an excuse EVERY. SINGLE. EXPANSION. SE can only use that excuse for so long about not having/obtaining hardware. They used that excuse even when hardware was simple to obtain, and anything excessive could have been used to expand housing, testing turned into production, Data Centers, Worlds, or a hundred other things that can easily be utilized for this game. And now, it's the perfect scapegoat all while hoping that no one would remember release of said expansions and how they needed hardware.

Third, the housing system is absolutely, 100% pride of the Director getting in the way. He is so stuck on neighborhoods; he flat out refuses to get rid of them. I even offered a solution to that with minor adjustments to the existing neighborhoods while getting instanced housing, so I'm not just bitching about crap decisions, like a good person, I offer a solution to the problem. However, until the pride is addressed, the necessary changes to housing will not take place.