What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[SentioftheHoukai]

Distinction without a difference. Whether you're debating with the goal of being right, or in hopes that other people will agree with you, the ultimate aim is still to argue that your points have merit or are correct. So if someone disagrees, and this creates a situation where you keep replying to prove that you're right/have merits worth agreeing with, then you're not agreeing to disagree. You're arguing to prove that you are correct or at least have a point.



Of course people have different ideas of what's reasonable or valid. Discussing that is literally the entire point of a public forum. Likewise, I don't care why someone like House Tyrell or House Lannister, but if their reasons go along the lines of "I like the Lannisters because I support incest", then I'm going to put that in the "unreasonable" category. Someone else might not think so, and that's A-OK, but they'll have a hell of a time convincing me otherwise.

Has anyone ever actually said they're a bigoted, racist ass and that's why they like Garlemald? What people are you around that speak like this? Or..... could it be that you are simply extrapolating such results onto the likes of Theodric and the others? Please. Explain to me where precisely you have acquired this logic and pattern of thought, if it is NOT in fact you making assumptions of your own biases?

[CrownySuccubus]

Has anyone ever actually said they're a bigoted, racist ass and that's why they like Garlemald? What people are you around that speak like this? Or..... could it be that you are simply extrapolating such results onto the likes of Theodric and the others? Please. Explain to me where precisely you have acquired this logic and pattern of thought, if it is NOT in fact you making assumptions of your own biases?

Just going to quote myself the last time Theodric complained about this subject:

I mean, liking Garlemald is one thing. They look cool, act tough, and have cool machines. That doesn't make anyone a Nazi.

But, if someone (speaking generally here) were to say that they thought Garlemald was right or that their actions were laudable, that'd definitely be cause for concern.

I'm not sure what was supposedly said, so I make no accusations. But, generally speaking, it's one thing to say that the Empire is cool. It's another thing entirely to say that the Empire is cool because they conquer what they deem inferior races and think only the strong should survive and rule.

The point is, I don't know under what context these "accusations" were made. I certainly hope that no one actually said anything red-flag worthy, but this is the internet in 2022. You can't rule out anything.

Theodric's point seems to imply that he wants anybody to be able to like anything for any reason, but that's impossible, because there definitely ARE reasons for liking something that lack validity or reasonableness.

[Raoabolic]

But, if someone (speaking generally here) were to say that they thought Garlemald was right or that their actions were laudable, that'd definitely be cause for concern.

"Haha, look at the non magic users! Let's bully them until they are forced to live up north in the barren snow!"
-The rest of Eorzea

[CrownySuccubus]

"Haha, look at the non magic users! Let's bully them until they are forced to live up north in the barren snow!"
-The rest of Eorzea

Pretty sure that was Islabard, not Eorzea. And even then, specifically the people of Corvos.

[Raoabolic]

Pretty sure that was Islabard, not Eorzea. And even then, specifically the people of Corvos.

"Oh, so NOW they suddenly ally up when one nation is pushed to the brink. How very glib."
-Some Garlean (Also a racist, probably!)

[SentioftheHoukai]

Just going to quote myself the last time Theodric complained about this subject:



The point is, I don't know under what context these "accusations" were made. I certainly hope that no one actually said anything red-flag worthy, but this is the internet in 2022. You can't rule out anything.

Theodric's point seems to imply that he wants anybody to be able to like anything for any reason, but that's impossible, because there definitely ARE reasons for liking something that lack validity or reasonableness.

Unless you're a mind reader, or somehow know Theodric in real life and he constantly does Nazi and white supremacist shit under your direct supervision..... Then you don't actually "know" ANYTHING.

Seriously, this nonsensical assertion that everybody in the universe is an expert at psychoanalyzing random strangers over the internet is ridiculous.

[CrownySuccubus]

Unless you're a mind reader, or somehow know Theodric in real life and he constantly does Nazi and white supremacist shit under your direct supervision..... Then you don't actually "know" ANYTHING.

Correct. Which is why I said.

I'm not sure what was supposedly said, so I make no accusations.

Seriously, this nonsensical assertion that everybody in the universe is an expert at psychoanalyzing random strangers over the internet is ridiculous.

It's not psychoanalysis to say, "I don't know you, so I can't say anything about you or the people whom you're complaining about." It's the opposite of that, in fact.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Correct. Which is why I said.





It's not psychoanalysis to say, "I don't know you, so I can't say anything about you or the people whom you're complaining about." It's the opposite of that, in fact.

You're literally stating things that support the viewpoint of "this person likes this evil empire, lo and behold the dawn! This person clearly supports bigoted ideology because of this!"

Frankly, I'm so very weary of you. Goodbye forever.

[CrownySuccubus]

You're literally stating things that support the viewpoint of "this person likes this evil empire, lo and behold the dawn! This person clearly supports bigoted ideology because of this!"

Did I?

I mean, liking Garlemald is one thing. They look cool, act tough, and have cool machines. That doesn't make anyone a Nazi.

I dunno sounds like you're making things up, honestly.

Frankly, I'm so very weary of you. Goodbye forever.

Oh no. How terrible.

Then we have Fandaniel's towers of the apocalypse, which... all disappeared as soon as we killed Anima? Crumbled? What about all the people inside? Was G'raha there to Break everyone's fall??

Yeah. That was my first question when they mentioned all the towers disappearing. I just presumed that all those various armies we shipped the scales to might have rescued them before that. But the game never outright explains or tells us anything either way.