Interpretation of an Endwalker Plot Point (Spoilers for the Entire MSQ)

[SentioftheHoukai]

She was mistreated by her oppressor's as well. They literally stood there and let he loyal to Garlemald father get stoned to death. They mocked her as a savage her entire life. They imply in Stormblood she is only in Zeno's good graces through sexual favors, etc.

Fordola legit gets treated better overall as a prisoner then she did as an innocent child or as a solider.

So, are we supposed to just forget that while the Garleans watched them do it that the Ala Mhigans who actually did the deed of stoning her father to death exist? Does it somehow make the crime-committers innocent of wrongdoing because local law enforcement was faulty? Sorry, I'm just not in the habit of excusing criminals and murderers because somebody else also happened to be involved as well.

Your post reeks of whataboutism intended to shift the blame. Let us not forget the Autumn War, the Ala Mhigans may deserve freedom but they're not innocent babes all.

[NoblePigeon]

So, are we supposed to just forget that while the Garleans watched them do it that the Ala Mhigans who actually did the deed of stoning her father to death exist? Does it somehow make the crime-committers innocent of wrongdoing because local law enforcement was faulty? Sorry, I'm just not in the habit of excusing criminals and murderers because somebody else also happened to be involved as well.

Your post reeks of whataboutism intended to shift the blame. Let us not forget the Autumn War, the Ala Mhigans may deserve freedom but they're not innocent babes all.

It’s...not about whataboutism, or excusing murderers. You initially said “she was mistreated by her own kin rather than the oppressors”. Someone pointed out that the Garleans were absolutely mistreating both her and Ala Mhigans in general. Though “mistreating” is putting it very mildly.

No one’s denied how deep the animosity and generational divide runs for collaborators of the former occupiers, and that’s a specific plot point brought up in that specific role questline.

[Cleretic]

Senti wandered into a thread about the Blasphemies and completely ignored the subject to instead quote an off-handed comment about Fordola's intelligence to start an argument about how Ala Mhigo Are The Real Bad Guys, Apparently. She does this a lot; I would recommend putting her on ignore, she seems to want to start derailing arguments more than she wants to actually contribute to a present subject. I think Fordola's one of the best characters in the game and her character journey is an interesting one, but not only is this not the right thread, this is exactly the worst angle to be taking on it.

My point was just that Fordola both isn't the type to have the most up-to-date information, and isn't the type to actually register that information as the truth, so we can't really take her 'vision' as evidence that the souls who became Blasphemies were getting reincarnated--which I, again, believe did start happening eventually but not until after we beat the Endsinger, It's more likely just a visualization of what she wants to be happening to absolve her own conscience.

[TheMightyMollusk]

They imply in Stormblood she is only in Zeno's good graces through sexual favors, etc.

....what?

The first time Zenos takes any notice of her is her proposal of a plan to crush the Resistance. He's interested in her hatred and violence, but aside from some trash-talking from other officers (and then it's heavily implied that it's just their racism making them unable to believe a mere savage could gain favor any other way), there's no indication he even noticed her at all otherwise.

[Dikatis]

....what?

The first time Zenos takes any notice of her is her proposal of a plan to crush the Resistance. He's interested in her hatred and violence, but aside from some trash-talking from other officers (and then it's heavily implied that it's just their racism making them unable to believe a mere savage could gain favor any other way), there's no indication he even noticed her at all otherwise.

Yeah, but it's Garlean racism and sexism that makes them say that to show that Fordola is STILL treated awfully by the Empire despite being a model Garlean soldier who rose up to the rank of Rem, the second-highest rank available to most non-Garleans, on her own merits.

[Slatersev]

So, are we supposed to just forget that while the Garleans watched them do it that the Ala Mhigans who actually did the deed of stoning her father to death exist? Does it somehow make the crime-committers innocent of wrongdoing because local law enforcement was faulty? Sorry, I'm just not in the habit of excusing criminals and murderers because somebody else also happened to be involved as well.

Your post reeks of whataboutism intended to shift the blame. Let us not forget the Autumn War, the Ala Mhigans may deserve freedom but they're not innocent babes all.

What? Pointing out that you claimed she was mistreated by her own rather then her oppressor's when she was in fact badly mistreated by both is not whataboutisim.

You claimed that it was only her own and not Garlemald.

....what?

The first time Zenos takes any notice of her is her proposal of a plan to crush the Resistance. He's interested in her hatred and violence, but aside from some trash-talking from other officers (and then it's heavily implied that it's just their racism making them unable to believe a mere savage could gain favor any other way), there's no indication he even noticed her at all otherwise.

I am fully aware. That's the point though, Fordola and Zenos' relationship is as far from sexual as can be, but she still had other Garleans spread rumors about it while she was in the room, and its obvious they wouldn't only speak like that about her when she's around.

Point is, Garlemald didn't treat her well at all, in any capacity

[Necrotica]

What? Pointing out that you claimed she was mistreated by her own rather then her oppressor's when she was in fact badly mistreated by both is not whataboutisim.

You claimed that it was only her own and not Garlemald.



I am fully aware. That's the point though, Fordola and Zenos' relationship is as far from sexual as can be, but she still had other Garleans spread rumors about it while she was in the room, and its obvious they wouldn't only speak like that about her when she's around.

Point is, Garlemald didn't treat her well at all, in any capacity

From what little we saw in flashbacks, she and her mother appeared to live rather comfortably after her father's death. It was only when she joined the military that the hostility towards her really ramped up. And she knew it was coming. Was kind of the point. She wanted to face it head on and prove them wrong.

Garlemald seemed to provide for the collaborators to the point they were not struggling to survive. Would have to otherwise no one would have a reason to turn to them over their original country.