6.2 Hrothgar Update

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

...that said. I know the Bozja mural exists. It's NOT gospel, so please keep that in mind. We went over this in the hairstyles thread. It's a caricature. But even if it isn't, kkron's art does look like a realistic version of that mural art º3º but das' jus me.

Ive also combated this and challenged the Mural. Alongside the "Concept" art.
I will do so again by asking the same simple question....if this is exactly how they will look...then Why Are They Not In The Game?
Their look and appearance is already complete, the "Concept" has been shown many times. They would have had to make that art and that Mural Years ago as they were making Shadowbringers. So, FemHroths should be complete and in the game by now, if that Mural and Concept art are to be taken as Gospel.
The fact they aren't in the game by now, tells me that CANT be their final concept.
For Christ sake, they were made BEFORE Male Viera ever were!

Do you really think they would actually turn out looking anywhere close to what they look like in the art spread around in-game? They would literally just look like scuffed femroes with an animal head. People can like a lot of things on Twitter, doesn't mean they will actually make the switch to play one - especially if they end up just as limited as the male counterparts. I'm sure a couple might make a femhroth alt they won't play, I'll give you that.

If they were smart and actually give a crap...yes, they would design them the way the Community is saying they should look. Most of us, if not all of us advocating for these looks, want them, because we intend on playing them. It isn't just to make us feel good, its what we actually want to Play.
They will look like cool, tall, strong, and badass Hrothgar Females. This, is what everyone wants.

If they are giving human faces and look like Miqote 2.0, thats when you scuff them.

[SturmChurro]

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What gave the impression I wanted miqo'te 2.0? Femhroth will already come out just as bad off as male hroth if they have their 'unique' animal heads. For that matter, even if they didn't have those animal heads, they'd probably still come out looking off, considering the ported hair to male viera having gigantic foreheads, God forbid we talk about headgear. I feel like even if femhroth had a more humanlike head, there would still be some excuse on why they can't do headgear for them.

If you want my real, personal, opinion on femhroth. At this point, they are pretty much obligated to release them, but I wish they had never set the precedent with male viera. Neither male viera or female hrothgar should have come out until after they maybe could have fixed how they fit and add gear, hairstyles, etc. Really, at this point, I don't think female viera or male hrothgar should have come out at all. They should have just focused on the races we had. The game would be in a better state without any of the limited races in the game.

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Alright, alright, maybe five people will actively play femhroth. You win.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

What gave the impression I wanted miqo'te 2.0? Femhroth will already come out just as bad off as male hroth if they have their 'unique' animal heads. For that matter, even if they didn't have those animal heads, they'd probably still come out looking off, considering the ported hair to male viera having gigantic foreheads, God forbid we talk about headgear. I feel like even if femhroth had a more humanlike head, there would still be some excuse on why they can't do headgear for them.

If you want my real, personal, opinion on femhroth. At this point, they are pretty much obligated to release them, but I wish they had never set the precedent with male viera. Neither male viera or female hrothgar should have come out until after they maybe could have fixed how they fit and add gear, hairstyles, etc. Really, at this point, I don't think female viera or male hrothgar should have come out at all. They should have just focused on the races we had. The game would be in a better state without any of the limited races in the game.

Alright, alright, maybe five people will actively play femhroth. You win.

Unless Im misremembering, I swear you advocated for...or at least said the race would be better off with Human/Humanoid faces. Basically Miqote 2.0
Always a chance Im misremembering or something.
They would look off automatically if they dont have animal heads...because anything else would be against the Philosophy of a Beast Race.
Well...yes they are obligated, they flat out said "Dont worry, they are coming" so...anything less and they look like huge liars, and even a Hopelessly optimistic supporter like me would just turn heel against them. And not just because Im not getting my Precious FemHroths, but because they said they were doing it..and then decided not to. Dont tell me your gonna do it, and then dont.
I both agree but disagree, they should have at least waited till they had stuff figured out...but no, giving us at least a beast race is nice and smart, considering people love to spout more options is good. And till now we didnt have a truely different option for a Player Avatar. (Most of) The Competition has a Beast Race, FFXIV didnt have one.

Not enough, Ill raise you 6! Im going Platinum >:3

[SturmChurro]

Unless Im misremembering, I swear you advocated for...or at least said the race would be better off with Human/Humanoid faces. Basically Miqote 2.0
Always a chance Im misremembering or something.
They would look off automatically if they dont have animal heads...because anything else would be against the Philosophy of a Beast Race.
Well...yes they are obligated, they flat out said "Dont worry, they are coming" so...anything less and they look like huge liars, and even a Hopelessly optimistic supporter like me would just turn heel against them. And not just because Im not getting my Precious FemHroths, but because they said they were doing it..and then decided not to. Dont tell me your gonna do it, and then dont.
I both agree but disagree, they should have at least waited till they had stuff figured out...but no, giving us at least a beast race is nice and smart, considering people love to spout more options is good. And till now we didnt have a truely different option for a Player Avatar. (Most of) The Competition has a Beast Race, FFXIV didnt have one.

Not enough, Ill raise you 6! Im going Platinum >:3

If they are going to be a beast race, I agree that they should look like beasts, as in the features. I do not think they should be as muscular as males however, that would really put me off, personally. I'd rather have them slimmer, but fit. Like I muscular Khajiit or something (features).

That is a quote of mine from 2019. Believe it or not, I actually like a little bit of continuity. Miqo'te 2.0 would look weird (said so earlier in this thread as well) to me. I can personally prefer a certain look, while also acknowledging that it would probably be more popular if they went a different direction for the design. Similarly, I did say I think viera would be more popular if they were able to be shorter, I personally like them with their current height ranges. When I talk about something I typically look at it from multiple angles. It's the same reason I would like to see tail and ear support for races such as miqo'te or au ra, for example. These are a core piece of their racial design. I might not like the clipping, but I don't think simply cutting them off is a solution to that problem. No, I don't think they should look like miqo'te 2.0.

Back then, I was more in support of the addition of viera/hrothgar and their missing counterparts. I was a lot more naive, and I had believed Yoshida at his word. I sat there for months, then years, hoping for an update for viera, and that hrothgar would see their fantasia issue resolved. I optimistically wanted the shared hairstyles, since players paid for many of them with real money. I never had it in my mind the reality of the situation, and how low quality the hair would truly end up looking. Female viera and male hrothgar upon their release may have been sustainable to maintain their patch schedule, but after covid, and the addition of male viera, team members being moved over to that other FF, female hrothgar on the horizon. All I see now is how many more compromises will have to be made to sustain these races. Most likely less hairs for everyone, less outfits, etc. It's just not worth it. I agree that a beast race adds variety, but I don't think it was worth the cost at the time. I guess you could say that I am 'jaded' about the whole situation at this point.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

. No, I don't think they should look like miqo'te 2.0.

Understood, I screwed that up.
Apologies

[SturmChurro]

Understood, I screwed that up.
Apologies

It's my personal opinion on what body type they should get that really starts arguments.