6.2 Hrothgar Update

[aveyond-dreams]

Curves, long hair, and no overly broad shoulders or texture stretching. The first image in the above post fits this, but the second image has them with necks that are too short to offset their upper body proportions.

[SturmChurro]

Eh, tbh, I think most people have settled on one look they want for Fem!Hroths



And I'm sure it's this look, the one that @Kkron_m on twitter uses for all of their female hrothgar art. Since it's the perfect mix of Beastly and Femme without needing to go too far in either direction.

I don't deny that there are probably like three people who are super hyped for femhroth. Like reivaxe was saying, I think a lot of people do assume they will look like that, and that's why they don't have any interest, besides the fact of them being a furry race.

[Midareyukki]

I don't deny that there are probably like three people who are super hyped for femhroth. Like reivaxe was saying, I think a lot of people do assume they will look like that, and that's why they don't have any interest, besides the fact of them being a furry race.

Quite a lot of people do want that, though. I have a friend who said he'd change to female Hrothgar in a heartbeat if his scholar could look as cool as that. Most Hrothgar players specifically don't want a Miqo'te rip-off. They'd just play Miqo'te if that were the case.

Or, what, are we really going from this...

...to this?


we're not even this, and thank the twelve for that

It's meant to be a furry race. The word they use is Bestial Race. If they want anything worse, they'd just call it Mystel and call it a day.

[Aelsioln]

I think a lot of people do assume they will look like that, and that's why they don't have any interest

Imagine thinking that @kkron_m's designs don't have any interest. Their female Hrothgar drawings get thousands of likes and shared all over the place but yeah that's totally "like three people" being excited.
But seriously, that's the design you think is too masculine? I had assumed you meant more like these designs.

@Soft__Bunbun


@pawmpadour


Those are closer to the body type that the males have, especially the second one. While I, like many, prefer @kkron_m's work I'd still play a female Hrothgar if this is what we get instead.
The whole point of Hrothgar is they're not humanistic. So why would they ever make the females look like Miqo'te 2.0 when a) we already have Miqo'te as an option and b) that'd go against what Yoshida himself said?

After seeing the positive reception of the Lupin characters we introduced in Stormblood, we concluded that, for the long-term health of FFXIV, it was important to implement a greater variety of character types beyond the traditionally beautiful in a future expansion. In truth, we had considered adding more beastly characters long before, and since this was possibly our last chance to do so, we decided that we should—much like we did with the Viera—in the interests of expanding the lore and the choices available to players.

Character creation is about providing players with options, and while there’s no telling how many people will utilize these options, we also believe that there is value simply in having them exist—in empowering people to fill the world with greater variety.

Letter from the Producer, LXII (05/09/2019)

[XiRon]

Imagine thinking that @kkron_m's designs don't have any interest. Their female Hrothgar drawings get thousands of likes and shared all over the place but yeah that's totally "like three people" being excited.
But seriously, that's the design you think is too masculine? I had assumed you meant more like these designs.

@Soft__Bunbun


@pawmpadour


Those are closer to the body type that the males have, especially the second one. While I, like many, prefer @kkron_m's work I'd still play a female Hrothgar if this is what we get instead.
The whole point of Hrothgar is they're not humanistic. So why would they ever make the females look like Miqo'te 2.0 when a) we already have Miqo'te as an option and b) that'd go against what Yoshida himself said?


Letter from the Producer, LXII (05/09/2019)

"Character creation is about providing players with options"
Well, considering they sat on giving hrothgar literally anything for 2.5 years, we know we can't take him at his word sheesh god

I, being dejectedly cynical after 6.1 and Yoship giving us 7 different handwritten lodestone letters about a housing error but jack about hrothgar and our trash update, fully expect female hrothgar to be the blue miqote with a cat nose from the shb artbook. That was not a kemono face thats literally the default Keeper with a catnose mod

Please GOD prove me wrong in 6.2 Yoshi PLEASE

[Midareyukki]

"Character creation is about providing players with options"
Well, considering they sat on giving hrothgar literally anything for 2.5 years, we know we can't take him at his word sheesh god

I, being dejectedly cynical after 6.1 and Yoship giving us 7 different handwritten lodestone letters about a housing error but jack about hrothgar and our trash update, fully expect female hrothgar to be the blue miqote with a cat nose from the shb artbook. That was not a kemono face thats literally the default Keeper with a catnose mod

Please GOD prove me wrong in 6.2 Yoshi PLEASE

Here's the thing. We did get a reply from Yoshida, which was later parroted by a community representative. An answer which was as unsatisfactory as it was untrue. If not "untrue", then less so "false" but more "we have an idea of what the process is, and it really isn't hard, just complicated. If complicated, then please make up time and organize yourselves better. You clearly didn't do that."

I wish we'd gotten what Housing did. I wish Yoshida had gotten that motivated to write something about us as he did on BLM. Because Housing was an unfortunate disastrous situation that had a simple answer: they borked the code.

Nothing about this situation is simple.

I want them to address it in 6.2 as well. I want them to acknowledge their fans aren't idiots, that there was an uproar through the whole playerbase (not just Hrothgars)... but precedent says otherwise.

If they want feedback from us, then they have it: kkron_m and Soft__Bunbun have solid designs. A LOT of people voiced their support for this, particularly people who would play femgars (exceptions do exist, but they seem to be low in numbers). Those are the designs most consistently presented and approved by the playerbase. Even if it's hard, an approximation is acceptable.
And we want male Hrothgar to be taken seriously. For them to reconsider what they're doing, because if they decide on leaving these races for last on the fixing list, they're only going to create more and more things that they need to fix in the long run. That's dumb. We understand why, but just because we get it, it doesn't make it okay. It doesn't make it smart.

But I'm fully expecting Square to play dumb yet again, handwave it all away and just keep doing the same old bull.



...that said. I know the Bozja mural exists. It's NOT gospel, so please keep that in mind. We went over this in the hairstyles thread. It's a caricature. But even if it isn't, kkron's art does look like a realistic version of that mural art º3º but das' jus me.

[SturmChurro]

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Do you really think they would actually turn out looking anywhere close to what they look like in the art spread around in-game? They would literally just look like scuffed femroes with an animal head. People can like a lot of things on Twitter, doesn't mean they will actually make the switch to play one - especially if they end up just as limited as the male counterparts. I'm sure a couple might make a femhroth alt they won't play, I'll give you that.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

...that said. I know the Bozja mural exists. It's NOT gospel, so please keep that in mind. We went over this in the hairstyles thread. It's a caricature. But even if it isn't, kkron's art does look like a realistic version of that mural art º3º but das' jus me.

Ive also combated this and challenged the Mural. Alongside the "Concept" art.
I will do so again by asking the same simple question....if this is exactly how they will look...then Why Are They Not In The Game?
Their look and appearance is already complete, the "Concept" has been shown many times. They would have had to make that art and that Mural Years ago as they were making Shadowbringers. So, FemHroths should be complete and in the game by now, if that Mural and Concept art are to be taken as Gospel.
The fact they aren't in the game by now, tells me that CANT be their final concept.
For Christ sake, they were made BEFORE Male Viera ever were!

Do you really think they would actually turn out looking anywhere close to what they look like in the art spread around in-game? They would literally just look like scuffed femroes with an animal head. People can like a lot of things on Twitter, doesn't mean they will actually make the switch to play one - especially if they end up just as limited as the male counterparts. I'm sure a couple might make a femhroth alt they won't play, I'll give you that.

If they were smart and actually give a crap...yes, they would design them the way the Community is saying they should look. Most of us, if not all of us advocating for these looks, want them, because we intend on playing them. It isn't just to make us feel good, its what we actually want to Play.
They will look like cool, tall, strong, and badass Hrothgar Females. This, is what everyone wants.

If they are giving human faces and look like Miqote 2.0, thats when you scuff them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't deny that there are probably like three people who are super hyped for femhroth.

There are Millions of Players and you only think 3 are truly interested in Female Hrothgar?.....
So do the reddits, twitters, and the people on the FemHroth thread just not exist? Do the people on this thread just not exist?

I know our community is only about 1% or 2% or so of the population, but that still quite alot more then 3 people.

[SturmChurro]

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What gave the impression I wanted miqo'te 2.0? Femhroth will already come out just as bad off as male hroth if they have their 'unique' animal heads. For that matter, even if they didn't have those animal heads, they'd probably still come out looking off, considering the ported hair to male viera having gigantic foreheads, God forbid we talk about headgear. I feel like even if femhroth had a more humanlike head, there would still be some excuse on why they can't do headgear for them.

If you want my real, personal, opinion on femhroth. At this point, they are pretty much obligated to release them, but I wish they had never set the precedent with male viera. Neither male viera or female hrothgar should have come out until after they maybe could have fixed how they fit and add gear, hairstyles, etc. Really, at this point, I don't think female viera or male hrothgar should have come out at all. They should have just focused on the races we had. The game would be in a better state without any of the limited races in the game.

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Alright, alright, maybe five people will actively play femhroth. You win.