Gladiator lvl 80 challenge

[Izar_Chillen]

I wish this was just a troll post and things like this don't happen....

But they do. I would kick them out of my party or leave myself. I'm not carrying dead weight.

Fortunately its rare , which is why Yoshi doesn't deem it necessary to assign anyone to easily sort this out and prevent it from happening.

Maybe they would get off their arse and sort it , if it became a common problem and people became sick of it and started to let their subs lapse .

[Remolia]

That's not really the point at all. I also doubt any static would recruit a Conjurer. I'd probably question their sanity if they did.

I thought u are talking about "do it with some one, not with randoms".
I mean PF for Normal Duty Roulette, not Savage/Extreme static. (You cant run High End duties as conjurer)
Its nearly impossible to get full raid/party for these runs in PF.

[Shuuli]

I thought u are talking about "do it with some one, not with randoms".
I mean PF for Normal Duty Roulette, not Savage/Extreme static. (You cant run High End duties as conjurer)
Its nearly impossible to get full raid/party for these runs in PF.

So you are saying that its okay to troll people for your own pleasure because its casual content?

[Remolia]

So you are saying that its okay to troll people for your own pleasure because its casual content?

Only if u see any deviation in playstyle as "trolling", or u can call it anything u want.

[Ath192]

So you are saying that its okay to troll people for your own pleasure because its casual content?

To be honest, I wouldn’t care. If they’re doing their job (keeping hate) and doing some moderate amount of damage it’s fine. It beats having no damage healers and some DPS that get themselves killed more than they contribute.

The difference is that it’s easy to criticize people for it and people are always looking for a valid reason to hate. If I can get out of a dungeon in under 25-30 minutes I’m fine.

The difference is it would be harder to prove a dps is dying to troll and genuinely being confused by every mechanic or a healer honestly believing they shouldn’t have to DPS and ticking to their guns.

At this point I’ve seen it all and this isn’t the worst. The situation the OP describes anyways.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Anyway, I went myself off topic.

I just came here to say, that at level 80 u will be locked on some MSQ stage (and possibly level 90 MSQ, did not complete it yet), if u play basic classes only.
To bypass it u have to get a job (to complete at least one role quests) or buy msq skip.

So if some one wants to repeat it, be ready to face that "issue"

Unfortunately, people can still deliberately take the job stone off after that quest is done. I've seen classes in Pandemonium.

[Remolia]

Unfortunately, people can still deliberately take the job stone off after that quest is done. I've seen classes in Pandemonium.

u dont even have to get it in first place, you can level SGE, GNB or Reaper, complete class quest to remove quest lock from MSQ, and switch back to Conjurer/Gladiator.
I did this on my alt (screenshot on page 8 in this thread)

[dspguy]

It was an interesting thing that the OP did. When the cap was 50, the job stone only granted a few abilities, such as Hallowed Ground and Spirits Within. And I think... Sheltron. HG is great, but not really necessary (also the best tank invuln). Spirits Within is an OGCD damage ability and Sheltron is an often used mitigation ability.

However, I think every ability past Circle of Scorn (50) is locked behind Paladin. I don't even know if the metaphor of "playing the job with a hand tied behind your back" is appropriate. It is much worse than that. The game just isn't made to be played without the job stone past 50 (let alone 30).

In the greater scheme of things, everytime the OP ran MSQ roulette - no big deal. At least he was 50 and the difference is minor. Everyone that was subjected to a GLD in on-level content probably had to deal with a slower moving experience. But... chances are, he only did this to individual players once. We've all had slow groups before. I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

[Mikey_R]

You shouldn't compare yourself to other healers, you should compare yourself to yourself. You have intentionally limited your healing/damage potential just because you did not want to have a job stone equipped. As an example, Stone 2 is 190 potency, Glare/Glare 2 is 290/310 potency, pretty much a 50% increase in damage, for free. The DoT is less, going from 550 to 660, but it is till more damage, an extra 10 potency on Holy isn't anything to shout about, but it is still technically more damage.

Then you get to the other heals and defensives, especially ones on the oGCD, which allows more damage GCDs, THEN, even if you DID have to use a healing GCD, you would use your lillies, which can be refunded with Afflatus Misery, which is actually a damage GAIN below 82.

As I said on the first page to the Gladiator, this isn't an achievement, this is just you being a hinderance for your own self-centred purpose.

Now, answer honestly, how would you feel if you went into an EW dungeon and you saw a Lancer/Pugilist/Thaumaturge/Arcanist/Archer/Rogue? Their damage potential is completely neutered compared to their respective jobs, lancer doesn't even get ANY form of AoE, so can it really, honestly, be acceptable?

If it had been done with groups that were pre-mades and all knew what was happening, fine, just don't inflict this on the randoms.

[Remolia]

You shouldn't compare yourself to other healers, you should compare yourself to yourself. You have intentionally limited your healing/damage potential just because you did not want to have a job stone equipped. As an example, Stone 2 is 190 potency, Glare/Glare 2 is 290/310 potency, pretty much a 50% increase in damage, for free. The DoT is less, going from 550 to 660, but it is till more damage, an extra 10 potency on Holy isn't anything to shout about, but it is still technically more damage.

Then you get to the other heals and defensives, especially ones on the oGCD, which allows more damage GCDs, THEN, even if you DID have to use a healing GCD, you would use your lillies, which can be refunded with Afflatus Misery, which is actually a damage GAIN below 82.

As I said on the first page to the Gladiator, this isn't an achievement, this is just you being a hinderance for your own self-centred purpose.

Now, answer honestly, how would you feel if you went into an EW dungeon and you saw a Lancer/Pugilist/Thaumaturge/Arcanist/Archer/Rogue? Their damage potential is completely neutered compared to their respective jobs, lancer doesn't even get ANY form of AoE, so can it really, honestly, be acceptable?

If it had been done with groups that were pre-mades and all knew what was happening, fine, just don't inflict this on the randoms.

I do it only when I feel fully competent, same goes for OP (gladiator). In level 85(86) duty (dungeon) I even asked my friend Tank to assists me in run, coz it was first time for me in that Duty. Or otherwise I just switch to GNB.

Every one talk about pre-mades, like its some common thing u can see everyday, I was not able to find any premades for daily runs.
But in other hand, if u want ur duties be super smooth 24/7 with tank tanking from wall to wall, healer dps, and other dps do top tier damage and avoid every mechanics, why you not running ur casual duties in pre-made only youself?