Housing sucks rn!

[Jojoya]

Have seen any where first two that entered the lottery ever. They could have fixed the housing problem way back in Heavensward their was no excuse back then to not have. Pretty sure if they wanted to they could get the equipment to upgrade their system. The company I work for had no problems upgrading all the servers and computers for all their store not long ago. Company I work for is pretty big with 1000's of stores.

It's not the company size that's at issue.

It's the type of hardware needed. Can't run a MMO on hardware designed to process simple databases and accounting software.

Also, you said "not long ago". Did they secure the hardware they needed before the semi-conductor shortage became critical (even if it took them a year to get it all installed throughout the company)?

If we're being honest, the problem was temporarily fixed back in 4.2. Just about every world (Balmung being the usual exception) had available houses for months before they finally all sold out. But at the same, it was easy enough to predict we'd run into the problem again if the player base continued to grow.

What none of us predicted was the explosive growth that would occur when players of some other popular MMOs became dissatisfied with those games. Safe to say that caught everyone off guard, and has contributed strongly to the current house shortage.

[CammyBear]

It's not the company size that's at issue.

It's the type of hardware needed. Can't run a MMO on hardware designed to process simple databases and accounting software.

Also, you said "not long ago". Did they secure the hardware they needed before the semi-conductor shortage became critical (even if it took them a year to get it all installed throughout the company)?

If we're being honest, the problem was temporarily fixed back in 4.2. Just about every world (Balmung being the usual exception) had available houses for months before they finally all sold out. But at the same, it was easy enough to predict we'd run into the problem again if the player base continued to grow.

What none of us predicted was the explosive growth that would occur when players of some other popular MMOs became dissatisfied with those games. Safe to say that caught everyone off guard, and has contributed strongly to the current house shortage.

Oh... That... That's actually a good point. I forgot about that factor. You deserve a like.

(Saying this as a WoW-refugee myself)

[hynaku]

So how did New World Online and other new MMORPG's coming out this year get all their hardware and servers if SE can't?. We had every expansion more and more players coming here each time. Can't say how huge players base has cought me off guard I was telling ones ways back in 2.0 they really needed to upgrade their servers. Because way back then they where preaching there was limitations and could add stuff ones wanted.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Instanced housing is impossible yet instanced apartments exist explain this to me.

[Jojoya]

(Saying this as a WoW-refugee myself)

Many of us are. Some of us realized what was coming and jumped ship much earlier. I miss the WoW of BC, Wrath and MoP (Cataclysm had its problems) but there's no going back to those days.

So how did New World Online and other new MMORPG's coming out this year get all their hardware and servers if SE can't?. We had every expansion more and more players coming here each time. Can't say how huge players base has cought me off guard I was telling ones ways back in 2.0 they really needed to upgrade their servers. Because way back then they where preaching there was limitations and could add stuff ones wanted.

Because those MMOs have been in development for 4-5 years and had already secured most if not all of the hardware they needed.

Amazon is such an international megalith at this point that they can pull strings with suppliers when needed to get priority assuming they hadn't already stockpiled extra in anticipation of possible need (they could always sell it after the fact if they didn't end up using it). SE does not have that sort of buying power.

Instanced housing is impossible yet instanced apartments exist explain this to me.

SE has never stated this. It usually comes from players who want only want ward housing to exist because they like the prestige factor.

[b0omie]

Ya my guild has bid every round and lost and yet on my server coeurl we have a guild that has not one but 3 houses in ishguard ward 14. It frustrating not being able to get a better house for my guild and the prime guild has 3.

[Jojoya]

Ya my guild has bid every round and lost and yet on my server coeurl we have a guild that has not one but 3 houses in ishguard ward 14. It frustrating not being able to get a better house for my guild and the prime guild has 3.

That's technically 3 different FCs since a FC can only own one house. (Different FCs can have the same tag). I know two of them are related as the main FC is one of the biggest on the server and had to create a second FC to handle the overflow past the 512 member limit some time ago (a couple of the other really huge FCs on the server have had to do the same thing). I have no idea if the third one is related. They're also not the only FCs using the <PRIME> tag on the server. A few smaller FCs not related to the big one are also using it.

Keep in mind that they don't have 3 larges. The main FC has a large (they definitely need it) and their overflow FC took the small next door. The other FC I don't know has a medium.

They aren't preventing your FC from getting a better plot. Your FC had plenty of opportunities to secure a medium in the first lottery. There had been 15 mediums in the first lottery that had 0 entries, I had gone around and counted during the month they were sorting out the 0 bug, and I was satisfying my curiosity about what was empty due to the bug and what was empty because there were no bids.. There were a couple in the second lottery that still had 0 entries (one was located below my FC's small).

Sometimes that's how RNG works out. You take a chance, others take the same chance and they end up the winner.

Either way, stop blaming other players. Other players aren't responsible for how SE has designed the system to work. Blame SE.

[FuraMal]

Either way, stop blaming other players. Other players aren't responsible for how SE has designed the system to work. Blame SE.

^ ^ This 100 times.

People are encouraged to post feedback here. Obviously some players dislike the current state of housing, either in general or for some specific reason.

The SE forum troll task force is out in spades with complete bullshit like "there is a server shortage" and things like that to defend what is happening. I respect their right to do so, but it does not help at all. You're defending a company that has the talent and means to speak for themselves - stop making up excuses for them and discouraging players from posting feedback in the way they're encouraged to do so.

[Jojoya]

^ ^ This 100 times.

People are encouraged to post feedback here. Obviously some players dislike the current state of housing, either in general or for some specific reason.

The SE forum troll task force is out in spades with complete bullshit like "there is a server shortage" and things like that to defend what is happening. I respect their right to do so, but it does not help at all. You're defending a company that has the talent and means to speak for themselves - stop making up excuses for them and discouraging players from posting feedback in the way they're encouraged to do so.

I'm not seeing anyone trying to discourage feedback.

What is being asked is that the feedback be constructive and realistic instead of filled with dramatic exaggeration and distortions. The latter does nothing to encourage SE to actually listen to and address player concerns. They're a business, not parents trying to placate an upset child.

Should SE have taken action years ago when the problems with the system became apparent beyond just adding more wards and apartments? I believe they should have. They didn't. We can't change what happened in the past.

You can talk about excuses but the reality is that change can't happen on a whim in the business world when companies are partially reliant on other businesses that have their own needs, obligations and limitations. SE can't walk into an electronics store, buy a server, slap down on a desk, plug it in and immediately fix everything. It takes planning and coordination. It takes time.

What we need to do is focus on convincing SE it is worth the effort to begin that planning and coordination now instead of wasting our time blaming other players for the problems with the system and dreaming up new bandaids that play games with RNG and shuffle around where the problems are instead of solving them.

We need a better supply system. Whether it is improving the instanced housing system so it provides larger apartments or even houses such as other games have used very successfully, moving to an automatic ward expansion system like LotRO uses for its Neighborhoods, or some other system that none of us have thought of but solves the supply problem, SE needs to get to work on changing things for the better for all players instead of just the lucky few.

[Eraden]

I'm not seeing anyone trying to discourage feedback.

What is being asked is that the feedback be constructive and realistic instead of filled with dramatic exaggeration and distortions. The latter does nothing to encourage SE to actually listen to and address player concerns. They're a business, not parents trying to placate an upset child.

Should SE have taken action years ago when the problems with the system became apparent beyond just adding more wards and apartments? I believe they should have. They didn't. We can't change what happened in the past.

You can talk about excuses but the reality is that change can't happen on a whim in the business world when companies are partially reliant on other businesses that have their own needs, obligations and limitations. SE can't walk into an electronics store, buy a server, slap down on a desk, plug it in and immediately fix everything. It takes planning and coordination. It takes time.

What we need to do is focus on convincing SE it is worth the effort to begin that planning and coordination now instead of wasting our time blaming other players for the problems with the system and dreaming up new bandaids that play games with RNG and shuffle around where the problems are instead of solving them.

We need a better supply system. Whether it is improving the instanced housing system so it provides larger apartments or even houses such as other games have used very successfully, moving to an automatic ward expansion system like LotRO uses for its Neighborhoods, or some other system that none of us have thought of but solves the supply problem, SE needs to get to work on changing things for the better for all players instead of just the lucky few.

I would be in favor of larger apartments. As long as I can get the space I need for multiple decent sized rooms, I don't care if it is houses or apartments.