Lottery Screenshot Speaks for Itself...

[Eraden]

I am doing no such thing. That is quite the enormous reach on your part. Nonetheless, the whole lottery system exists entirely due to the lack of supply. If they addressed that larger issue sooner, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Hence why everything they're doing in yet another band-aid in the grand scheme of things. The lottery itself never needed to exist if housing as a whole wasn't a terribly designed system they've clung to for the better half of nearly a decade.

I would like to reiterate that these are two SEPERATE ISSUES. Related, yes, but still separate. The first, and smaller of the two, would have continued to be a problem, even if additional housing was introduced, as long as supply was outstripped by demand. It is entirely conceivable that the developers might never be able to catch up to demand. In that light, it may be unreasonable of us to expect the developers to solve the second issue in one go. Better that the first issue is resolved now, while we wait for the developers to work on the second issue (if they ever will).

[Ransu]

lottery is a tax on stupid people, and here we have 540 stupid people
don't bid on it, don't buy into it, don't participate

So you'd rather spend 36 hours clicking on a sign?

[Nepentha]

So you'd rather spend 36 hours clicking on a sign?

I can't help but wonder how many of these people who want the old placard system back were using third party bot programs to do the work for them and they resent losing that advantage.

[Bobby66]

So you'd rather spend 36 hours clicking on a sign?

At most one would click is about 12 hours, statistically the window for a plot to open up was about 8 hours.

[ForteNightshade]

I would like to reiterate that these are two SEPERATE ISSUES. Related, yes, but still separate. The first, and smaller of the two, would have continued to be a problem, even if additional housing was introduced, as long as supply was outstripped by demand. It is entirely conceivable that the developers might never be able to catch up to demand. In that light, it may be unreasonable of us to expect the developers to solve the second issue in one go. Better that the first issue is resolved now, while we wait for the developers to work on the second issue (if they ever will).

Games with less of a budget and significantly less revenue than FFXIV have managed to implement better housing systems. Even games older than FFXIV. I'd like to point out Square Enix hasn't stopped bragging FFXIV is their highest profitable title outside of mobile games. So... let's not make excuses for the multi-billion dollar corporation. The dev team simply likes the neighborhood system and I suspect there's a sunken cost fallacy going on as well.

So you'd rather spend 36 hours clicking on a sign?

Personally, I'd rather the house flippers back. I got my first house back then for a gross overpayment of 10M for a small. But I got a house. Nowadays, if I were to ever lose my medium, I basically have no chance of ever getting another unless I transfer to the new DC or they add more wards in two years.

[Nepentha]

Games with less of a budget and significantly less revenue than FFXIV have managed to implement better housing systems. Even games older than FFXIV. I'd like to point out Square Enix hasn't stopped bragging FFXIV is their highest profitable title outside of mobile games. So... let's not make excuses for the multi-billion dollar corporation. The dev team simply likes the neighborhood system and I suspect there's a sunken cost fallacy going on as well.



Personally, I'd rather the house flippers back. I got my first house back then for a gross overpayment of 10M for a small. But I got a house. Nowadays, if I were to ever lose my medium, I basically have no chance of ever getting another unless I transfer to the new DC or they add more wards in two years.

I don't want the house flippers back. They're the reason why we have the lotto in the first place, so people all have an equal shot at getting a house, not the people using third party software.

[Eraden]

Games with less of a budget and significantly less revenue than FFXIV have managed to implement better housing systems. Even games older than FFXIV. I'd like to point out Square Enix hasn't stopped bragging FFXIV is their highest profitable title outside of mobile games. So... let's not make excuses for the multi-billion dollar corporation. The dev team simply likes the neighborhood system and I suspect there's a sunken cost fallacy going on as well.

For the purposes of what this game is it doesn't matter what other game makers have done. It only matters what SE has done and is willing to do. No matter what they decide to do, they simply can not implement any changes overnight. Any changes they make, should they decide to do so, will take time. During that time, it's better to have a system of allocation that is fair to all players. If housing ever becomes available to ALL players, then yes the Lottery might no longer be needed. Until then it is vital to keep it in order to make access to housing fair to all.

[Amenara]

For the purposes of what this game is it doesn't matter what other game makers have done. It only matters what SE has done and is willing to do. No matter what they decide to do, they simply can not implement any changes overnight. Any changes they make, should they decide to do so, will take time. During that time, it's better to have a system of allocation that is fair to all players. If housing ever becomes available to ALL players, then yes the Lottery might no longer be needed. Until then it is vital to keep it in order to make access to housing fair to all.

That sounds like a band-aid when you put it that way. Fixing a small issue to compensate for the larger issue. Arguing about semantics which don't matter at all aside, I agree, we need to focus any housing ire at the people responsible, SE. This is 100% the fault of the people who made the decision to continue down the path of wards instead of accepting that it has turned into a failure and correcting the ship instead of doubling down.

[Jojoya]

For the purposes of what this game is it doesn't matter what other game makers have done. It only matters what SE has done and is willing to do. No matter what they decide to do, they simply can not implement any changes overnight. Any changes they make, should they decide to do so, will take time. During that time, it's better to have a system of allocation that is fair to all players. If housing ever becomes available to ALL players, then yes the Lottery might no longer be needed. Until then it is vital to keep it in order to make access to housing fair to all.

Actually, it does matter. Game developers learn from what other games have done, what was popular with their players and what didn't really work.

FFXIV probably wouldn't exist today if YoshiP hadn't studied WoW for what made it successful and incorporated some of those elements into ARR.

It's true that changes can't be made overnight, but when it comes to housing the problems with the system have never been invisible. SE has addressed some of those problems but others remain. What's making the supply problem especially severe at this point was the explosive growth in player population that couldn't have been predicted in advance.

Who knew that WoW players would get so fed up with the game that they would actually give that weeb game they were frequently mocking a try? Who could have predicted COVID would be a global pandemic forcing workers to stay and looking for something they could do at home with all the lockdowns in place?

But SE had to know by end of Heavensward that the ward system buckles under the weight of even a slowly growing player base. They added wards, they added a completely new housing district and still demand overtook the supply quickly. They easily could have looked to other MMOs with housing and seen their systems had no problems with population growth because they were using instanced systems that could accommodate every player. While true some of those games have since died, they didn't die because of the housing systems.

[ballprince]

This is the last small house for private wards on Faerie. 231 people and this is day one.

I don't see how this isn't more... concerning to people I guess? How people thing the state of housing is okay. 231 people on Day One. 2-3 Mediums available.

As for our FC -> Personals that are going to swap soon, I'm laughing already in anticipation of how fast it will go.

At least I know this time that if I do participate, I'll have better chances at worse grade plots, but at this point for me I'm very, very swiftly losing a lot of love for the neighborhood wards.