6.2 Hrothgar Update

[Oizen]

It's a serious issue when modders are doing far better work than experienced devs.

The devs do the bare minimum they have to so that they keep production cost down and maximize profit, modders actually care about what they're doing.

[Johners]

The devs do the bare minimum they have to so that they keep production cost down and maximize profit, modders actually care about what they're doing.

Wouldn't the answer to that just be quitting then? Or at the very least drastically reducing the amount of time you play FFXIV? If you only care about the story content, you can enjoy an entire expansion's worth of content in 3 months and waiting for the last patch to do so. Buying 3 months of subscription at once is cheaper and waiting for the last patch means you'll like be able to buy the expansion on a 50% (or more) discount. You can safely enjoy the majority of an expansion while drastically reducing the money given to Square Enix (Yoshi-P already encourages people to take breaks and play other games anyway)

[Raoabolic]

Wouldn't the answer to that just be quitting then? Or at the very least drastically reducing the amount of time you play FFXIV? If you only care about the story content, you can enjoy an entire expansion's worth of content in 3 months and waiting for the last patch to do so. Buying 3 months of subscription at once is cheaper and waiting for the last patch means you'll like be able to buy the expansion on a 50% (or more) discount. You can safely enjoy the majority of an expansion while drastically reducing the money given to Square Enix (Yoshi-P already encourages people to take breaks and play other games anyway)

Hope you don't own a house, lol.

[Johners]

Hope you don't own a house, lol.

I don't and at some point I'll probably just give up and pay/play less myself. The other content I enjoy comes out far enough apart that I can easily be subscribed for half a patch cycle instead of it's entirety. Not to mention that some content, say Hildibrand or the trial quest chains, feel nicer to play in one chunk rather than split out over patches (IMHO anyway because that's how I played all the old content after starting last April.)

[Kolsykol]

It's a serious issue when modders are doing far better work than experienced devs.

Modding and implementing something officially server side aren't the same thing at all, it's kinda silly to compare the two.
The mods have a ton of issues too but even so.
It's completely ridiculous to look at what modders do and then hold it up against the actual devs and say that the modders are '' more competent '' or whatever, it just displays a fundamental lack of understanding of how game development works especially in MMO's and other online games.

Per usual people are SEVERELY oversimplifying things, just like they did with the housing situation last time when people were screaming at the devs and not even understanding what the problem even was.
Even after Yoshi-P came out and explained it in a fair amount of detail people didn't understand it.
There's a lot of complexities that modders don't have to deal with that the actual devs do, there's even less of an argument for comparing the two in online games than in a game like Skyrim for example.

Ok? Amazing. Great. I'm so stoked the NEW CONTENT they add every patch includes like superduper necessary things like...aquarium fish and a parasol emote. While theres a race in their game that still has to change its entire face if it wants to use its racial hair.

This is such a lameass excuse honest to god like WE SEE them add new stuff every patch that just plain doesnt work, at all, if you dare to play a race from shb. There is 0 reason to not make every single new hat or hair work for hrothgar and viera but we have "oh its hard oooh they have to add a 2 minute solo instance to msq ooh its so difficult please understand" while two PLAYER RACES get the shitcovered end of the stick. Every single time. For YEARS.

I think that the amount of people who would actually be willing to sacrifice on other content for the sake of Hrothgar helmets or whatever is very low tbh.
This is a far more immense task than you're making it out to be, A LOT of work would go into it and they already struggled to even create Hrothgar to begin with and felt it was necessary to make these sacrifices to even make them a reasonable possibility to begin with.
It's easy to sit in your armchair and judge, but if you know anything about the history of this game and the work culture in Japan it's pretty crazy to act like they're just lazy or whatever.
They work incredibly hard, and if you think that they wouldn't love to give Hrothgar players what they want then I think you're very mistaken.
The reason why it isn't/ hasn't happened yet isn't because they're uncaring, why would they not want to make the players happy?

Some of you seriously talk about this as if the devs are not adding what you want out of spite or something too.
If they actually took on the task in this regard and other content suffered for it too then people would flock to the forum to complain about not getting enough content because their efforts were focused elsewhere too.
It's a no win situation, but the current situation upsets way less people.

[XiRon]

I think that the amount of people who would actually be willing to sacrifice on other content for the sake of Hrothgar helmets or whatever is very low tbh.
This is a far more immense task than you're making it out to be, A LOT of work would go into it and they already struggled to even create Hrothgar to begin with and felt it was necessary to make these sacrifices to even make them a reasonable possibility to begin with.
It's easy to sit in your armchair and judge, but if you know anything about the history of this game and the work culture in Japan it's pretty crazy to act like they're just lazy or whatever.
They work incredibly hard, and if you think that they wouldn't love to give Hrothgar players what they want then I think you're very mistaken.
The reason why it isn't/ hasn't happened yet isn't because they're uncaring, why would they not want to make the players happy?

Some of you seriously talk about this as if the devs are not adding what you want out of spite or something too.
If they actually took on the task in this regard and other content suffered for it too then people would flock to the forum to complain about not getting enough content because their efforts were focused elsewhere too.
It's a no win situation, but the current situation upsets way less people.

"Why wouldn't they want to make players happy" well apart from the very obvious fact that they deliberately designed every hrothgar HEAD needlessly different just to screw over those players into paying for fantasia if they ever deigned to alter their characters design, an issue which 3 years later has STILL not been fixed, I think making players happy is very much NOT a concern the devs have.
"Sacrificing content" like ok so the people who design all the new gear and all the new hair options are also responsible for battle mechanics? What? If thats the case they need to hire more but I seriously doubt the team is that minimal. This isn't an indie game (...heh) being made by two schmucks in their parents basement for christ sake. This is the most successful mmo currently on the market, an mmo which charges you monthly for continued play.
Like please GOD explain to me why Yoship said that for Endwalker on, they would "spare no expense" because I very clearly see expenses being spared! Why is brand new shit not made with hrothgar and viera in mind? And do not tell me the Edward hat that clips so badly on every hrothgar hairstyle its practically invisible is them trying. Its not. Every one else can wear and use things designed to fit the head and NOT clip into nonexistence except hrothgar. Even what few hats viera get don't rip right thru their ears or vanish beneath the "Lyna" hairstyle.
There is no excuse, certainly not when the freaking director says "spare no expense".

[Mapleine]

This studio just doesn't have the resources...

*looks over at FF16/Witcher May Cry*

OH! THERE THEY ARE!

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

This studio just doesn't have the resources...

*looks over at FF16/Witcher May Cry*

OH! THERE THEY ARE!

There is also the upgrades to the game engine, development of "the missing gender" and development of future patch content, including dev time on the next expansion...
But Apparently thats not an excuse, and to suggest it means you are excusing and defending the company

[XiRon]

There is also the upgrades to the game engine, development of "the missing gender" and development of future patch content, including dev time on the next expansion...
But Apparently thats not an excuse, and to suggest it means you are excusing and defending the company

Well see the player character getting shafted every single patch for 3 years so people can get the new scrimmbly skrongo minion or use a 2frame emote with the polka dot parasol or have yshtola be a cringe uguu kawaii moedesune~~~~ magical meguca in one cutscene it kinda sticks in the back of your throat like bile. There is no excuse to continually ignore a player race unless you're just going to delete the race (and thereby lose subscribers) because it doesn't have miqote with white hair wearing 2B Panties player numbers. There just isn't besides being too lazy to care.
"We might lose battle content" what content? The hot new lv90 dungeon you'll get a third of the time in expert roulette? or the totally necessary, can't just be a cutscene solo msq instance that takes 2ish minutes and rewards you with nothing? That content?
Viera now have 4x the number of options as hrothgar and thats just lame and unfair. They need to actually do right by hrothgar players for once.
But hell...if they don't wanna fix ears, that's fine. Just let hrothgar use every single headpiece in the game if ears are expendable. Thats a fine compromise, I'd KILL to wear my neoishgardian or mogstation hats.

[Vahlnir]

This studio just doesn't have the resources...

*looks over at FF16/Witcher May Cry*

OH! THERE THEY ARE!

You're forgetting FF 7 Rebirth. But yeah, in my opinion, when SE has a major project or two in the pipeline, FF XIV conveniently suffers a lot in regards to quality and quantity of its content. Which is to say that it happens more often than it probably should. This game doesn't get near as much put back into it as it deserves.