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    Quote Originally Posted by Hezhi View Post
    So because parsers and bad players exist healers should be boring forever? Come on man.
    Boring to who? I clear savage 4 times a week, and I main healers on all of them. I don't find them "boring". You're mistaken if you think my advocacy has something to do with exciting/boring. I simply don't want the system to change to make a bad mentality worse, that's all. If we can overhaul the mentality of players first, I'm down to overhaul any class or role you want.

    Here is a parallel example for you:


    Remember the time when tank-stance matter for enmity, give reduction damage taken but also damage down? SE "simplified" it by taking all that away, and I bet part of the reason because there are so much drama about it. I lost count the number of argument/drama both on PF and static around the issue. The fact is ... again, outisde the highest tier of content there is no reason for a tank not permanently have it on, it's better for everyone else in the party. The only problem is it hurts tanks's FFLog ... and thus the ensued drama. There were so many time I sit there on the party watching the argument (is it the DPS not watching their aggro, is it the healers healing too much, is it the tank taking too much damage ...etc...), you know ... the kind of **** show in which ALL problems can be solved by the tanks keeping their stance on more? But hey, no self-respected tank caring about their Log would agree to that. My argument for healer is no different.


    FFlog shape the mentality of the community (at least the vocal part of it) far more than people realize, and as such it also greatly affect many of the design choice. You know why I think the current healers are not as exciting as they can be? It's because it's the best compromise SE can come up with, it let people to chase their dream parse and not putting more risk to the party at the same time. Asking healers to have better DPS rotation is like asking SE to bring back the old tank stance, I let you think for yourself what the chance of SE doing that, and why.

    You know what, if FFlog just straight up disappeared, I would actually not mind if healer DPS are made more complicated. Because without something like that to promote the parse chasers, I think at least most people will still heal when needed even with an interesting DPS rotation. The current system may not be what the community want, but totally what we deserved to have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Those people were doing that before when we had DPS rotations and nothing short of removing all DPS skills will change that. Bad players exist in every role of this game, else we wouldn't have Tales from Duty Finder complaining about No Mitigation Tanks, Green DPS Healers, No AoE DPS, etc. all the time. It's not an argument because it's just bad players being bad and will continue being bad regardless of what they're given.
    Oh I certainly agree a player can be bad for many reasons. It's not like you don't have bad healers during Coil when healer DPS wasn't really a thing or the FFlog nonsense. The point is, that list of reason is already large enough I don't feel more factor being added to it.
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    Last edited by Raven2014; 06-18-2022 at 03:32 PM.