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    Its almost like the lottery system is a bandaid on a broken system
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Its almost like the lottery system is a bandaid on a broken system
    It's not a bandaid. It's purpose is strictly to ensure that all participants would be treated equally with respect to accessing personal housing. That's all it was designed for. It has succeeded in that purpose. The other issue, the one of there being not enough housing for everyone to access, is a totally separate issue that has YET to be addressed by SE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    It's not a bandaid. It's purpose is strictly to ensure that all participants would be treated equally with respect to accessing personal housing. That's all it was designed for. It has succeeded in that purpose. The other issue, the one of there being not enough housing for everyone to access, is a totally separate issue that has YET to be addressed by SE.
    The fact they chose that was the bigger issue instead of the addressing the elephant in the room is the bandaid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    The fact they chose that was the bigger issue instead of the addressing the elephant in the room is the bandaid.
    It was the easiest issue for them to deal with. Addressing the issue of there not being enough housing to meet demand is going to be a LOT tougher problem to deal with. Right now, I am less concerned about them dealing with this issue than I am about them not even telling us that they acknowledge there is a problem and that they intend to work on it. Is it possible that they don't actually see this as a problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    It was the easiest issue for them to deal with. Addressing the issue of there not being enough housing to meet demand is going to be a LOT tougher problem to deal with. Right now, I am less concerned about them dealing with this issue than I am about them not even telling us that they acknowledge there is a problem and that they intend to work on it. Is it possible that they don't actually see this as a problem?
    Can we please don't making excuses for the dev team with regard to housing. This isn't an issue exclusive to Endwalker where they only had a few months to come up with a solution but one which has existed for over half a decade. They had implemented one band-aid "fix" after another without ever addressing their neighborhood system simply cannot meet the demand and never has. If they don't see it as a problem, then they're more than simply stubborn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Can we please don't making excuses for the dev team with regard to housing. This isn't an issue exclusive to Endwalker where they only had a few months to come up with a solution but one which has existed for over half a decade. They had implemented one band-aid "fix" after another without ever addressing their neighborhood system simply cannot meet the demand and never has. If they don't see it as a problem, then they're more than simply stubborn...
    There were no excuses being made. It was simply the easiest problem to fix and so it should not come as a surprise that it was the first problem to be fixed. The other problem, the one of there not being enough housing to meet demand, hasn't even been publicly acknowledged by SE yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    There were no excuses being made. It was simply the easiest problem to fix and so it should not come as a surprise that it was the first problem to be fixed. The other problem, the one of there not being enough housing to meet demand, hasn't even been publicly acknowledged by SE yet.
    Claiming this was not yet another band-aid solution is making excuses. They've had years to address the larger issue but have stubbornly refused to acknowledge it. Remember when Apartments were their big fix to housing shortage? They were legitimately stunned players weren't happy with glorified FC rooms with 100 item limitations.

    The dev team keeps trying to find one fix after another than seem baffled when players are still upset all while stubbornly refusing to let go of a neighborhood system that has been flawed since its inception. They aren't acknowledging it because they don't want to actually spend the resources fixing the problem, even if housing has essentially become a sunken cost fallacy. They keep adding onto a broken system that leaves the majority of their playerbase upset. At least among those who care about housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Can we please don't making excuses for the dev team with regard to housing. This isn't an issue exclusive to Endwalker where they only had a few months to come up with a solution but one which has existed for over half a decade. They had implemented one band-aid "fix" after another without ever addressing their neighborhood system simply cannot meet the demand and never has. If they don't see it as a problem, then they're more than simply stubborn...
    Exactly.

    Players need to stop making excuses for SE.

    SE has had nearly 10 years to see how this limited housing experiment has failed in terms of access for the majority of players.

    For those of you working, imagine telling management that you're unable to come up with a long-term scalable solution for a decade.

    1. Limited ward housing consumes more server resources than fully instanced housing. The exteriors of houses/wards are always loaded.

    2. Auto-demolition, Botting/RMT resale of houses are the natural consequences of a system not designed with increasing player populations in mind.

    3. SE has had ample opportunities to improve upon apartments. A lot of the complaints about housing would be reduced if apartments were a viable alternative to ward housing.

    In short, either SE is grossly incompetent when it comes to having foresight or think their vision for 'neighborhood feel' is right despite the reality of access, for the majority of players.

    Perhaps both.
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    Last edited by TwistedTea; 06-19-2022 at 09:06 AM.

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    I would give up my large house for this property.

    When they had instant relocation I offer quite a few people 200 million Gil for the property and no one took me up on the offer.
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