Just Another Housing Complaint

[LaylaTsarra]

Sadly, I don’t see this change making a substantive difference to the point, but it’s making the math more accurate which is great! My guess is that, when all the data is correct, we will still only see enough houses for fewer than a third of all active players.

You have a link supporting those 35000 characters are active characters?

[Shibi]

You have a link supporting those 35000 characters are active characters?

Bancho is the closest, he tracks players as active if their profile, gear, title change survey to survey. But even that is not accurate as people do sit with zero changes.

https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurve...tm?world=Siren

And it is characters. No way anyone knows who is who's alt, so accounts is impossible to know.

My more hypothetical question is if housing were guaranteed, how many of the people who aren't participating would be interested in getting a house? I think the lack of "interest" in housing is more of a housing supply problem then a potential want for a house problem. I get saying ~10% of players are actively trying to get a house or have one, but I believe the want for a house is much higher.

Hard to say. Some people clearly find the lottery to be too hard, and I can understand this, it's stressful! And some can't deal with that - nothing wrong with that.

But it's not a majority of the complaints here, just one or two people. But yes, that's a valid question. I still think 10% is about correct, but maybe add 5% to be generous. Not everyone cares about housing by a long shot.

And editing in also from below...

...I saw, in passing, 50k for Hyperion a few weeks ago, but I thought that was character population, not active players...

Lucky Bancho suggests 33,057 active characters on that world. Same disclaimers as to this is all a guess on their part with the source we have - lodestone

[LaylaTsarra]

Bancho is the closest, he tracks players as active if their profile, gear, title change survey to survey. But even that is not accurate as people do sit with zero changes.

https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/wsurve...tm?world=Siren

And it is characters. No way anyone knows who is who's alt, so accounts is impossible to know.

Thank you for the link and yeah I suspect alts are a sizeable number but that's hard to say. After all is said and done the lottery numbers have to at least give SE a better indication of those who want a house and who can't get one. Those who aren't bidding either don't want one or can't afford one or don't care enough to try and we're not talking placard clicking anymore but only showing up and putting your gil into the pot of those trying for it.

If they don't act on hard numbers there isn't really much we can do about it but continue to complain.

[Fybrile]

Alright, closer still. If you take an low average of that site’s statistics, and allocate 30,000 characters per server (about half of the 2.2 million reported), and then say that 2/3 of those characters are actual active players and the other 1/3 is alts, you’re left with 640,000 active players in the game (waaaaaaay low, but for the purpose of making a point, we’ll roll with it because anything higher than that just makes my point stronger). That would make the approximate 128k personal plots enough for 20% of the player base.

The point of all this pseudo science? It’s clear that on your best day, when all the numbers fall in your (SE apologists’) favour and we count only a quarter of the ACTIVE player base (remember, 10s of millions of players total), 4/5 players STILL couldn’t participate in this content even if they wanted to.

It’s just not enough.