We are brutal to the beast tribes

[Necrotica]

Going through new game+ and came across this old quest I forgot.

Situation: A Qiqirn thief broke into bentbranch stables attempting to steal chocobo egg. He was caught in the act, dropped the egg and broke it before fleeing. Some stable hands/guards gave chase but had to stop the pursuit when 3 other Qiqirn came to save the thief.

Damage done: 1 broken chocobo egg. So lets say a prize racing/war horse foal equivalent.

The quest? Kill 4 random Qiqirn. Doesn't matter who they are. Just kill any 4 of them to instill terror at the thought of coming to try and rob them again.

Gridanians do not mess around.

[Brightamethyst]

Right? The qiqirn never even summoned a primal. Why are we mad at them?

[Cleretic]

Ah, Necrotica's back on her 'the WoL was a bad person during ARR' kick.

Yeah, tribe treatment was one of the many things that the writers and characters both got better about over time. Qiqirn and goblins are a bit of a different case than groups like the amal'jaa are, though, because they aren't tempered; that means that they're in full control of their faculties... which means that they did those things willingly. Something Necrotica glossed over was that the dropped egg did shatter, so a big thing that angers the ranchers of Bentbranch is that an actual life was lost; doesn't excuse it all, but explains that they're going 'eye for an eye' rather than purely 'gotta kill for the sake of it'.

Everyone got better about that over time, and the last time we dealt with qiqirn in a negative way were the ones in the Ziggurat in Stormblood--and those guys were kidnapping and eating people, so can't exactly say we were in the wrong on that. Unfortunately the qiqirn never got a specific storyline on the Source (they were going to be one of the Stormblood tribes, but the namazu proved unexpectedly popular), so they never really got a storyline actually saying that we were cool with them.

[Brightamethyst]

Unfortunately the qiqirn never got a specific storyline on the Source (they were going to be one of the Stormblood tribes, but the namazu proved unexpectedly popular), so they never really got a storyline actually saying that we were cool with them.

Nor did they (or the goblins for that matter) get invited to that BS "we're all friends now" meeting at the end of ShB.

[Cleretic]

Nor did they (or the goblins for that matter) get invited to that BS "we're all friends now" meeting at the end of ShB.

Yeah, another 'fallen through the gaps' problem. The focus of that (and the similar bit near the end of Endwalker) was to show that Eorzea had made peace with the tribes that summoned primals. That doesn't include the qiqirn, goblins, mamool ja and namazu, so they aren't there. And unlike the goblins and namazu which got their own stories (multiple, in the goblins' case), with the qiqirn's tribe quests shunted off to Shadowbringers the Source's equivalents didn't really get that sort of treatment. The closest the mamool ja got was Blue Mage, which I think, like, half-counts.

Honestly, it's not the only time that the game's just sorta... skipped being sympathetic towards certain people. Non-tribal examples are Amdapor and Skalla, which are basically just noted as ruins and moved on from while the forces that actually killed them are the ones given sympathetic stories. And frankly there's a LOT of civilizations both known and unknown that were killed by Ascian machinations that never even get acknowledged; that's understandable to an extent, since how the hell are you gonna write in proper respect for 'the theoretical people of the Second Astral Era that must have existed somewhere', but it does still make the scenario where their destroyer got more sympathy than them, which ain't great.

[TheMightyMollusk]

A qiqirn was among the representatives invited to the conference in Ala Mhigo in 4.1, so there's the implication that we're at peace with them now. It just never really gets explored.

[MikkoAkure]

A qiqirn was among the representatives invited to the conference in Ala Mhigo in 4.1, so there's the implication that we're at peace with them now. It just never really gets explored.

That’s specifically an offshoot of the Gyr Abanian branch of Qiqirn whose story was already noted to have been abandoned in favor of the Namazu. Unlike the other Eorzean city-states, Limsa Lominsa has always been on friendly terms with Qiqirn, Goblins, and Mamool Ja and you can even find them in the city and interact with them. Friendly Qiqirn show up in more than a few quests related to the classes in Limsa and according to lore, are present on every ship.

Unlike the primal-summoning “beast tribes”, these other 3 are much more loosely organized without a leader and is probably why the Ascians skipped them over. The Qiqirns and Goblins mostly just do their own thing. Some are bandits, some are friendly. Both races were kicked out of Ul’dah because racism and were forced to become bandits on the mainland. As for the Mamool Ja, many of the ones in Eorzea that aren’t tied to BLU are mercenaries and are often hired by Kobolds, but there are still some in Limsa.

[Necrotica]

Ah, Necrotica's back on her 'the WoL was a bad person during ARR' kick.

Yeah, tribe treatment was one of the many things that the writers and characters both got better about over time. Qiqirn and goblins are a bit of a different case than groups like the amal'jaa are, though, because they aren't tempered; that means that they're in full control of their faculties... which means that they did those things willingly. Something Necrotica glossed over was that the dropped egg did shatter, so a big thing that angers the ranchers of Bentbranch is that an actual life was lost; doesn't excuse it all, but explains that they're going 'eye for an eye' rather than purely 'gotta kill for the sake of it'.

Everyone got better about that over time, and the last time we dealt with qiqirn in a negative way were the ones in the Ziggurat in Stormblood--and those guys were kidnapping and eating people, so can't exactly say we were in the wrong on that. Unfortunately the qiqirn never got a specific storyline on the Source (they were going to be one of the Stormblood tribes, but the namazu proved unexpectedly popular), so they never really got a storyline actually saying that we were cool with them.

How on earth did you read that as me glossing over the egg breaking. I pointed it out twice. Even made a comparison to losing an extremely valuable horse.

Read mofo read!

[SentioftheHoukai]

Ah, Necrotica's back on her 'the WoL was a bad person during ARR' kick.

Yeah, tribe treatment was one of the many things that the writers and characters both got better about over time. Qiqirn and goblins are a bit of a different case than groups like the amal'jaa are, though, because they aren't tempered; that means that they're in full control of their faculties... which means that they did those things willingly. Something Necrotica glossed over was that the dropped egg did shatter, so a big thing that angers the ranchers of Bentbranch is that an actual life was lost; doesn't excuse it all, but explains that they're going 'eye for an eye' rather than purely 'gotta kill for the sake of it'.

Everyone got better about that over time, and the last time we dealt with qiqirn in a negative way were the ones in the Ziggurat in Stormblood--and those guys were kidnapping and eating people, so can't exactly say we were in the wrong on that. Unfortunately the qiqirn never got a specific storyline on the Source (they were going to be one of the Stormblood tribes, but the namazu proved unexpectedly popular), so they never really got a storyline actually saying that we were cool with them.

It's a legitimate avenue of inquiry, make no mistake. The writers may have "had a bad time writing" as you put it, but we the WoL who was forced by the plot to commit atrocities against those who are only just now being considered people are never slated to pay our come-uppance for what we've done. Nor do the aforementioned tribes even seek such a thing, and frankly? That's just bad writing when mortal enemies just show up at your lawn party one day, sing Kumbaya and hold hands then gleefully form the Grand Company of Eorzea with you. Much like how people on here tell me since my WoL "isn't my own" to decide who she is and how she feels and what she's done, so too is everyone else's (including yours Cleretic) guilty of some pretty heinous shit. So, no I'd say the WoL is not in fact squeaky clean and objectively good. The plot simply ignores our flaws and what we've done when isn't palatable to do so.

[Jandor]

Much like how people on here tell me since my WoL "isn't my own" to decide who she is and how she feels and what she's done, so too is everyone else's (including yours Cleretic) guilty of some pretty heinous shit.

Mine isn't guilty of this particular act though, this is level 10 MSQ stuff for those that started in Gridania, and I didn't start in Gridania.