Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
good stuff
Surprisingly I agree with your entire post except for 2 issues.

I've created, kicked, left FCs, and co-lead with about 20 statics in ffxiv alone and I can tell you there is nothing in this game worth losing friends over for a clear.
I much more prefer groups stay friend groups first, raid groups second as long as they started out that way.
If they started out as a raid group first and know what they signed up for then that's that.

The only thing I'm going to dispute is:

Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
I'm noting them specifically because the post I quoted indicated they don't occur.
If this was talking about the quote you used from me, I never denied people in "my camp" used ad hominems nor was I trying to indicate they didn't.

And the only thing I'm actually curious about is this:

Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
Hard disagree with the "false equivalency". Both cases are an individual saying "If you don't like X play style, you can always just stick to doing only Y content". That is a true parity, and you aren't going to get away with dismissing it as false here.
Why do you consider someone saying: "If you don't like it you can just go play in the corner."
comparable to: "We're going to change the system to more accommodate everyone, it should only lightly effect the group already having fun if at all."

Other than that I got nothing.