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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    The question/Issue is...why play an MMO, if you want to take away the MMO part.
    A Hide All PCs and Glamour is literally trying to turn the game into a Single Player game where nobody exists, like a single player game. And then Dungeons and trials are treated like Multiplayer sections. Sure, whatever.

    Its not really a "Right" to say I want to hide other players and Glams just because you dont like it.
    Again, just why play an MMO, if you want to be ride of the MMO part, which is a Social Gaming space?
    You dont want to deal with people? Then just dont.



    So.. why play an MMO until you get to the parts where you do?

    Why do you own a car that can go 200 mph if you don't always go 200 mph?

    Why do you buy hotsauce if you're only going to eat a little at a time? Why don't you drink it with your meal?
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  2. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozh View Post
    The fact that you keep ignoring how it isn't a permanent removal, and people can still socially interact when they want, tells me that you're a troll. I saw several people who made the same argument as mine, and you never bother to acknowledge it.

    Do you understand the concept of immersion?

    Yes, it's a right because hide players/glam is client side. You can still wear whatever you want to wear and impress people who cares about those things. Go afk in limsa and show your glam, no one forbid you. People who already doesn't care about glam won't even spare a glance at you anyway.
    ....you dont know what a Troll is if thats how you label me.
    I understand the concept of immersion just fine, and I haven't ignored anything, never even said anything about Permanent removal. Just that its silly to want to hide people and glamour in an MMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    So.. why play an MMO until you get to the parts where you do?

    Why do you own a car that can go 200 mph if you don't always go 200 mph?

    Why do you buy hotsauce if you're only going to eat a little at a time? Why don't you drink it with your meal?
    ...none of these are counter-arguments lmao.
    You are playing an MMO from the second you log into an MMO.
    There is a speed limit
    And you wouldnt eat hotsauce all in one sitting...its bad for you and it ruins your meal. And..I guess you CAN drink it with your meal if you are one of those people...but what does this have to do with playing an MMO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    ....you dont know what a Troll is if thats how you label me.
    I understand the concept of immersion just fine, and I haven't ignored anything, never even said anything about Permanent removal. Just that its silly to want to hide people and glamour in an MMO.



    ...none of these are counter-arguments lmao.
    You are playing an MMO from the second you log into an MMO.
    There is a speed limit
    And you wouldnt eat hotsauce all in one sitting...its bad for you and it ruins your meal. And..I guess you CAN drink it with your meal if you are one of those people...but what does this have to do with playing an MMO?
    So from your responses you've clearly got all battle effects turned on right?
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by weebtext View Post
    So from your responses you've clearly got all battle effects turned on right?
    Yes Actually.
    Ive played the Tales of Games Series. So Im pretty used to Battle Effects littering the entire screen and sometimes not being able to see a quarter if not half the things happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Yes Actually.
    Ive played the Tales of Games Series. So Im pretty used to Battle Effects littering the entire screen and sometimes not being able to see a quarter if not half the things happening.
    And you leave them on during savage/ultimate, correct?
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  6. #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    .

    ...none of these are counter-arguments lmao.
    You are playing an MMO from the second you log into an MMO.
    There is a speed limit
    And you wouldnt eat hotsauce all in one sitting...its bad for you and it ruins your meal. And..I guess you CAN drink it with your meal if you are one of those people...but what does this have to do with playing an MMO?
    Every single one of these examples are something you can use but you don't have to use ALL of or all the time.
    I have a fast car, but I don't always top out it's speed.
    I enjoy spicy food but I don't put hotsauce on everything I eat.


    I can play an MMO but I don't always have to engage with every single person in it around me and I shouldn't have to.


    Just because you are using "thing" doesn't mean you need to use ALL of "thing" all of the time.
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  7. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by weebtext View Post
    And you leave them on during savage/ultimate, correct?
    When I play them, yes. I even leave it on during Raids, & EX Trials and PvP.
    But I dont play Savage very often, Im pretty casual, I mostly try that content with friends.
    Haven't done Ultimate yet myself, lots to remember, frankly abit intimidating for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    The question/Issue is...why play an MMO, if you want to take away the MMO part?
    because they want to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Again, just why play an MMO, if you want to be ride of the MMO part, which is a Social Gaming space?
    because...... they want to!

    you dont need any other reason. people can do whatever they want if it doesnt affect others, and hiding other players client-side would not affect others in the slightest.
    if someone doesnt feel like interacting with others in a given moment, your character being visible or not would not affect the outcome.
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    Are people being paid to post all this garbage?
    Yes we get it, sqex willl never implement this sort of thing because players being forced to see other players is one of the backbones of their revenue model
    Being forced to see other people's glams, weapons, titles, always results in more engagement in the game
    In sure you personally are 100% immune to propaganda, but not everyone is, and I'm sure there have been sprouts who saw someone with a glowy weapon pay more sub time trying to get the same weapon

    This is why 3rd party mods is the only way to have options to hide players and hide cosmetics because it would hurt their bottom line directly
    Again, I am sure you are 100% immune to these sorts of tricks because you are oh so much smarter than the average idiot, but it works.

    So my question is: are you being paid by sqex to gaslight people by arguing that being forced to see other players is a necessary thing for mmos? Because it's not.
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    Last edited by SeiyaSoiya; 06-14-2022 at 02:27 PM.

  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I have a fast car, but I don't always top out it's speed.
    Because there is a speed limit. Unless your are in an isolated area where you can cause no harm to others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I enjoy spicy food but I don't put hotsauce on everything I eat.
    Same here, sometimes you can cook and eat foods without adding Hotsauce. Can ruin the food itself.
    Plus heartburn and Indigestion sucks

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    I can play an MMO but I don't always have to engage with every single person in it around me and I shouldn't have to.
    This is True! Just dont! I dont disagree with this at all and havent argued against it! Not sure why its a talking point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Just because you are using "thing" doesn't mean you need to use ALL of "thing" all of the time.
    Also true! But if this is a talking point for playing an MMO it doesn't really make sense. An MMO is a Social Space with other players typically.
    You dont have to socialize with them or really interact with them, but they are there as part of the experience of playing an MMO - Mass Multiplayer Online.

    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    --because they want to.
    --because...... they want to!
    --you dont need any other reason. people can do whatever they want if it doesnt affect others, and hiding other players client-side would not affect others in the slightest.
    if someone doesnt feel like interacting with others in a given moment, your character being visible or not would not affect the outcome.
    --Ok
    --Got it
    --Never argued about it effecting anybody. Just weird to want to play an MMO and get rid of the MMO part. Not like saying that hurts anybody. Simple question and opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    Are people being paid to post all this garbage?
    Is that seriously a thing?
    How much does it pay to just ask a question?
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    Last edited by Zanarkand-Ronso; 06-14-2022 at 02:31 PM.

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