Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[thegreatonemal]

Yay! You figured it out!



There was zero evidence that Zodiark wasn't permanent. Had he not been killed him, he probably would have lasted forever. Not to mention, Venat's group didn't have the proper information either as she didn't tell them anything important. Is the convocation supposed to believe any random group of people that opposes their decisions, especially when the people in question don't know crap either? Venat didn't tell her group nor the convocation about Meteion. Maybe if she did, her group would sound less like a group of raving lunatics.

Then work on making a different one. The Ancients would have a MINIMUM of 12k years to perfect their new model. You can't seriously think they're so stupid that they can't accomplish that as a major project over the course of 12k years. This is the same civilization that created Zodiark. As for Hermes, there are few people researching it, not one. Lock him up or kill him. He's an active threat to the star.
Need creates innovation. The Ancients are used to doing everything with aether, but if they are informed that they need to use dynamis, they'll innovate. If it turns into a monster, that's what kill switches and experiments are for.
Who said the ancients would only get one chance? The only reason we only had one was because Zodiark died. We were on a ticking clock to solve the problem. Again, the ancients have at LEAST 12k years.
The only piece of evidence that says they couldn't is a line from Emet saying they can't. The rest of the story seems to say otherwise.
Venat didn't give tell them about Meteion. And no, checking in on the thread isn't stalking, and I'm also replying to multiple people here. Calm down your ego Oatmeal.

This wasn't in question. For whatever reason you thought I didn't think that. Maybe read what people say.

There is no evidence that it would have been able to withstand say, a more focused attack of Dyanmis. She is working with all of it in the universe after all. It's not like they gave them a chance to speak. All talks fell on death ears. Did they just kick the guy outta the room?

Perfect it how? They know nothing about Dyanmis and Omega, who is more advanced than them is stumped on it as well. What makes you think they can succeed? Dyanmis does not lend itself well to scientific study that's repeated over and over within the story. Also what Zodiark's barrier would do to hamper that study. Turn him on an off again for testing maybe? It's hard to study something you can't freely control.

Yes, they only get one chance. Metetion isn't on the planet, she's at the edge of the universe. It took 12k years worth of aether to have enough fuel to make it and it took half that time just to make the technology to do so. Before you say we can just send them using dyanims, there is only one living being that has made this type of journey, and these beings would no doubt have to go much longer as we don't know how far the dragon star was away from our planet. They'd have to make that voyage unbroken and then it's a toss up on if they turn into monsters or not. You're working with the 12k timetable but there's also no indication that Meteion couldn't just turn up the volume of her song and overwhelm Zodiark and it's the final days all over again. Though that wont make for a good narrative. They might not have had 12k years.

The story suggest otherwise, they were not willing to look at anything else nor listen to Venat's faction and they forced her hand.

Right, so you just make a post with your typical snark right after mine. Coincidence maybe but you do seem to hop right on it as soon as I post. Hell, two of you did. You also didn't reply to anybody else so one has to wonder.

[AwesomeJr44]

Right, so you just make a post with your typical snark right after mine. Coincidence maybe but you do seem to hop right on it as soon as I post. Hell, two of you did. You also didn't reply to anybody else so one has to wonder.

First of all, did you not see my post replying to Eara? It's not that far up the thread. It should even be on the same page as yours. Secondly, have you considered that maybe we just so happened to check the forums right after you posted? I mean, this time around I'm 50m late if I'm supposedly trying to stalk you or whatever. Oatmeal my guy, I honestly don't care about you enough to check for your posts specifically. I'm interested in the thread, not specifically you. As for my snark... well then, guilty as charged

[thegreatonemal]

First of all, did you not see my post replying to Eara? It's not that far up the thread. It should even be on the same page as yours. Secondly, have you considered that maybe we just so happened to check the forums right after you posted? I mean, this time around I'm 50m late if I'm supposedly trying to stalk you or whatever. Oatmeal my guy, I honestly don't care about you enough to check for your posts specifically. I'm interested in the thread, not specifically you. As for my snark... well then, guilty as charged

Do you need a moment to look up the meaning of the word coincidence? Sounds like you're reading too much into it. You should stop. I said snark but as wrong as you've consistently been at it. Something something I wish I had the confidence of a mediocre...
You seem to take an interest in me I wasn't even replying to you and you swoop in outta nowhere whenever I have posted here in these past few days.

You also didn't address anything from the last post. Considering that is the topic we're discussing I find that strange. Nah, no interest at all from you, just couldn't be.

[AwesomeJr44]

Do you need a moment to look up the meaning of the word coincidence? Sounds like you're reading too much into it. You should stop. I said snark but as wrong as you've consistently been at it. Something something I wish I had the confidence of a mediocre...
You seem to take an interest in me I wasn't even replying to you and you swoop in outta nowhere whenever I have posted here in these past few days.

You also didn't address anything from the last post. Considering that is the topic we're discussing I find that strange. Nah, no interest at all from you, just couldn't be.

Buddy, I'm sorry that I have to be the one who needs to tell you this, but... you're not someone special that I singled out. I saw a post (yours) that disagreed with mine, and I replied to it. As is my right to do. The only reason I'm continuing to reply to you in particular is that out of the people here I disagree with, you're the one responding.I'd rather respond to people who disagree with me as there is more opportunity for a discussion, and you're the one who happens to be responding. If Eara was responding as much as you are, I'd be speaking with them. I'm checking in on the thread every 15m or so hoping that someone else comes in that I can talk to, but it seems like it's literally just you responding every time. Isn't responding shortly after someone else stalking them? I thought I remember you saying that... So why are you still responding to my posts then? Are you stalking me? O_O

Also, I didn't respond to your points as they completely assume that Meteion has the ability to make her song stronger than it was, and I didn't feel like responding with 'nice headcanon'. But seeing as you want a response, nice headcanon. When I brought up my faith in Ancient's ability to succeed, at least that was based on what we've seen of them. There's no evidence that Meteion's song can be emitted at a higher strength. Also, Zodiark doesn't prevent Dynamis from existing on the planet, it prevents it from getting in. It's a shield, not a dynamis death zone. If it was, the Elpis flower we find in Labyrinthos wouldn't be functional. If the Ancients found someone as devoted to Dynamis as Hermes, which logically there would be one, they could make a new Meteion. Meteion didn't seem to require 12k years worth of aether to travel the stars did she? No she didn't, thus new Meteion could make the journey if designed to do so using Dynamis like Meteion 1.0 was.

You can respond to me if you want, but if you don't want me to reply in a timely manner, maybe don't. And btw, I wear 'snarky' as a badge of honor, so thank you very much

[thegreatonemal]

We've been through this, so there's no point in trying to go over it again with you. You take particular notice when I post you could have easily simply not said anything. I wasn't even talking to you at the time I suppose its your headcanon that you think I think I'm special Never had a fanfic made of me, kinda weird.

Ummm, ever single one of your what ifs has been headcanon. Nothing you suggested in your last few post is support by the actual game. Nice your faith is has such power it can change the lore!

They couldn't they didn't, they didn't even want to attempt.
Theres no evidence that it couldn't be enhanced, you're just going off the fact that she didn't(for narrative purposes most like).

If they found someone as Hermes put it dyanmis is an esoteric study and due to it's nature of not really being able to be studied properly its been pretty much dropped. You've no evidence within the game of anybody picking it up or showing any kind of interest. Again, you keep making up what ifs.

Again, they have no idea how she was made and you're still forgetting that Hermes is standing right there, he's not just gonna sit by and chances are they are gonna go to him for help in the first place to which sabotage abound. You also forgot to address the how they avoid being turned into monsters part. The whole "Make a new Meteion" thing is the most common thing people come up with and it's just not feasible.

Their inexperience with dyanmis, the fickle nature of it and the inability to test it, just means that plan if it came about was doomed to failure. Unless you can demonstrate with the lore presented their ability to have a greater control than Hermes did when he made Meteion, which isn't much he only made her with dyanims to aid in travel and to communicate with the life she would encounter. Then that entire headcanon of yours is dead in the water. We've been over not making stuff up.

[AwesomeJr44]

you could have easily simply not said anything.

But I want to and I can.

I wasn't even talking to you at the time

Just because you weren't talking to me doesn't mean I can't talk to you.

Nothing you suggested in your last few post is support by the actual game.

Lots of stuff can't be proven by the game. That's why I use logic to fill the holes the game hasn't.

they didn't even want to attempt.

To not want to attempt something, you must first know what it is you're not attempting to do. The Ancients were not told about the space bird, and neither were Venat's followers.

Theres no evidence that it couldn't be enhanced

There isn't evidence that she can, nor is there evidence that could be used to make an argument that she could.

If they found someone as Hermes put it dyanmis is an esoteric study and due to it's nature of not really being able to be studied properly its been pretty much dropped. You've no evidence within the game of anybody picking it up or showing any kind of interest.

The Ancients were not given the information that Dynamis was important. Hermes in Elpis states that Dynamis is not studied because why use Dynamis when you can use Aether instead? If Hermes was able to make a Meteion as a pet project when there was no need to study it, it would make logical sense that if there was a sufficient desire to do so, it would be very possible.

you're still forgetting that Hermes is standing right there

Kill him or lock him up and throw away the key. Hermes himself mentions he's not the only Dynamis scientist out there.

You also forgot to address the how they avoid being turned into monsters part.

Design it with a driving emotion of hope. And if it gets turned on the first few attempts design it with a kill switch.

Their inexperience with dyanmis, the fickle nature of it and the inability to test it, just means that plan if it came about was doomed

If it's impossible then how did Hermes make a functioning Meteion. Keep in mind that the convocation has at least TWELVE THOUSAND YEARS. That's plenty of time to get VERY familiar with something.

Unless you can demonstrate with the lore presented their ability to have a greater control than Hermes did when he made Meteion

Prove they can't with 12k years or more to experiment. You can't because the game doesn't specifically say that or anything like that. With that in mind, I refer to what logically makes sense.

But oh boy! I'm responding again! I'm such a stalker! Excuse me while my eyes roll out of my sockets.

[LordGiggles]

Yes, they only get one chance. Metetion isn't on the planet, she's at the edge of the universe. It took 12k years worth of aether to have enough fuel to make it and it took half that time just to make the technology to do so. Before you say we can just send them using dyanims, there is only one living being that has made this type of journey, and these beings would no doubt have to go much longer as we don't know how far the dragon star was away from our planet. They'd have to make that voyage unbroken and then it's a toss up on if they turn into monsters or not. You're working with the 12k timetable but there's also no indication that Meteion couldn't just turn up the volume of her song and overwhelm Zodiark and it's the final days all over again. Though that wont make for a good narrative. They might not have had 12k years.

I don't think there's much reason to think the mothercrystal was the only way to fuel space based travel, especially when the topic was a creation designed to counter her, but regardless there's zero reason to believe meteion could just try a bit harder and shatter the barrier. They never show the ability to do anything like that, and there's no reason why they wouldn't have done so already if it was possible.

Obviously it's not a guarantee other methods of combating meteion would succeed, but it wasn't a guarantee we would either. I don't think you explain well why they only get one chance either, like they make a plan, it doesn't work, and then they all just die? Zodiark wasn't struggling after all that time, I don't get why it would just randomly stop working?

I apologize but I don’t quite understand this argument. Yes your civilization will end regardless. But that certainty doesn’t change the fact that you should extend that existence for as long as you can. That it’s a good thing to live, even with suffering. The point is that a being that can accept suffering and retain the desire to live will continue to for longer than one that did not. Whether the ultimate end is inevitable is inconsequential to the question of “should we change in order to survive and flourish?”

But it's not inconsequential, because we are given the Ea as an example of a "failed" civilisation. They fought to thrive as a civilisation and had a strong drive to continue existing, but despite doing everything right here, they still ran into a fate they could do nothing about. If they stay mortal they're leaving themselves susceptible to a heap of different ends, but if they become immortal they are still unable to escape the eventual fate of the universe.

The issue with the themes here is that the Ea are an absolute best case scenario, with the only real options being to either choose death, or live to drift aimlessly forever in an endless void. The only difference between them and the sundered is that the latter are much, much worse at solving their problems.

It doesn't work very well thematically when the inevitable outcome of successfully chasing that desire to live longer is held up as a failure.

[VictorTheed]

The choice part was interesting, I even thought about it from what I could remember of the MSQ.

Everyone justified option, I disagree cause u gotta pick a side and people who try to please everyone never succeed.

Everyone was wrong option, this one had me thinking and I almost picked it, but doing something is better then doing nothing at all.

The Asians option, as cool as they are as bad guys, I disagree with em totally trying to murder us and cause world wide destruction through the centuries, so yea put these guys necks to the sword for betterment of the star.

Venat option, she kinda screwed over her people but she helped our people and she pretty much tried to make the best of a bad situation and did what she thought was the best choice, her heart was right, so I chose venat.

Can't remember if there were any other options but those are my opinions.

[EaraGrace]

But it's not inconsequential, because we are given the Ea as an example of a "failed" civilisation. They fought to thrive as a civilisation and had a strong drive to continue existing, but despite doing everything right here, they still ran into a fate they could do nothing about. If they stay mortal they're leaving themselves susceptible to a heap of different ends, but if they become immortal they are still unable to escape the eventual fate of the universe.

The issue with the Ea is not actually about the heat death of the universe, it’s about how their discovery made them feel as if life was pointless. They gave up, long before the heat death would occur, believing that it meant nothing if it isn’t indefinite. That’s the issue.

The issue with the themes here is that the Ea are an absolute best case scenario, with the only real options being to either choose death, or live to drift aimlessly forever in an endless void. The only difference between them and the sundered is that the latter are much, much worse at solving their problems.

Hard disagree. The Sundered may have to face more struggle, but they in turn have happier, more fulfilling lives. The Ea either kill themselves or become moral with new flesh bodies and then kill themselves. Their lives in their eyes are not worth living, meanwhile the Sundered still find joy and meaning in their existence. There’s a clear benefit.

It doesn't work very well thematically when the inevitable outcome of successfully chasing that desire to live longer is held up as a failure.

Welcome to our own existence is all I can say. Atm we have the exact same circumstance bearing down on us.

[Kuroka]

If it's impossible then how did Hermes make a functioning Meteion. Keep in mind that the convocation has at least TWELVE THOUSAND YEARS. That's plenty of time to get VERY familiar with something.

Also he literally choose to do a "blank" child and not teach her anything or let her grow up and find strength, or personality... He basically sent a infant to the horrors of the universe lol

He didnt even bother to sent em in couples or anything... heck for all we know they might have been hijacked by some stronger, negative Dynamis creature, weak as they were...


Id say he lost control bc he made them bland and weak, so they would not mess with the results... basically sending out blank canvases so that others might paint on em.



Given just SOME time and effort you surely couldve made an familiar to counter it, or find other means... or just train it with Azem xD