Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[AwesomeJr44]

They did what they could at the time.

Yay! You figured it out!

There was a whole group of people telling them that it isn't over that we have only delayed our doom.

There was zero evidence that Zodiark wasn't permanent. Had he not been killed him, he probably would have lasted forever. Not to mention, Venat's group didn't have the proper information either as she didn't tell them anything important. Is the convocation supposed to believe any random group of people that opposes their decisions, especially when the people in question don't know crap either? Venat didn't tell her group nor the convocation about Meteion. Maybe if she did, her group would sound less like a group of raving lunatics.

Only he knows and he didn't submit a concept so no one else knows how to make her. Clue him in to what he did and he's probably not going to help you

Then work on making a different one. The Ancients would have a MINIMUM of 12k years to perfect their new model. You can't seriously think they're so stupid that they can't accomplish that as a major project over the course of 12k years. This is the same civilization that created Zodiark. As for Hermes, there are few people researching it, not one. Lock him up or kill him. He's an active threat to the star.

Good luck with making a creation, even if you succeed you have no way of knowing if the thing you make will not turn into a monster.

Need creates innovation. The Ancients are used to doing everything with aether, but if they are informed that they need to use dynamis, they'll innovate. If it turns into a monster, that's what kill switches and experiments are for.

Remember how we all just read about how we can't really objectively measure the factor about who changes into a monster and who doesn't. Chances are good they end up monsters and you won't get a second chance.

Who said the ancients would only get one chance? The only reason we only had one was because Zodiark died. We were on a ticking clock to solve the problem. Again, the ancients have at LEAST 12k years.

It was a crap situation all around, a lot of you acting like there was much that could have been done aren't looking at the situation as they knew it then.

The only piece of evidence that says they couldn't is a line from Emet saying they can't. The rest of the story seems to say otherwise.

But yea, according to you if she just told them all those other factors just don't exist anymore right? Also are you just stalking the thread whenever I post? That was real quick.

Venat didn't give tell them about Meteion. And no, checking in on the thread isn't stalking, and I'm also replying to multiple people here. Calm down your ego Oatmeal.

[thegreatonemal]

Yay! You figured it out!



There was zero evidence that Zodiark wasn't permanent. Had he not been killed him, he probably would have lasted forever. Not to mention, Venat's group didn't have the proper information either as she didn't tell them anything important. Is the convocation supposed to believe any random group of people that opposes their decisions, especially when the people in question don't know crap either? Venat didn't tell her group nor the convocation about Meteion. Maybe if she did, her group would sound less like a group of raving lunatics.

Then work on making a different one. The Ancients would have a MINIMUM of 12k years to perfect their new model. You can't seriously think they're so stupid that they can't accomplish that as a major project over the course of 12k years. This is the same civilization that created Zodiark. As for Hermes, there are few people researching it, not one. Lock him up or kill him. He's an active threat to the star.
Need creates innovation. The Ancients are used to doing everything with aether, but if they are informed that they need to use dynamis, they'll innovate. If it turns into a monster, that's what kill switches and experiments are for.
Who said the ancients would only get one chance? The only reason we only had one was because Zodiark died. We were on a ticking clock to solve the problem. Again, the ancients have at LEAST 12k years.
The only piece of evidence that says they couldn't is a line from Emet saying they can't. The rest of the story seems to say otherwise.
Venat didn't give tell them about Meteion. And no, checking in on the thread isn't stalking, and I'm also replying to multiple people here. Calm down your ego Oatmeal.

This wasn't in question. For whatever reason you thought I didn't think that. Maybe read what people say.

There is no evidence that it would have been able to withstand say, a more focused attack of Dyanmis. She is working with all of it in the universe after all. It's not like they gave them a chance to speak. All talks fell on death ears. Did they just kick the guy outta the room?

Perfect it how? They know nothing about Dyanmis and Omega, who is more advanced than them is stumped on it as well. What makes you think they can succeed? Dyanmis does not lend itself well to scientific study that's repeated over and over within the story. Also what Zodiark's barrier would do to hamper that study. Turn him on an off again for testing maybe? It's hard to study something you can't freely control.

Yes, they only get one chance. Metetion isn't on the planet, she's at the edge of the universe. It took 12k years worth of aether to have enough fuel to make it and it took half that time just to make the technology to do so. Before you say we can just send them using dyanims, there is only one living being that has made this type of journey, and these beings would no doubt have to go much longer as we don't know how far the dragon star was away from our planet. They'd have to make that voyage unbroken and then it's a toss up on if they turn into monsters or not. You're working with the 12k timetable but there's also no indication that Meteion couldn't just turn up the volume of her song and overwhelm Zodiark and it's the final days all over again. Though that wont make for a good narrative. They might not have had 12k years.

The story suggest otherwise, they were not willing to look at anything else nor listen to Venat's faction and they forced her hand.

Right, so you just make a post with your typical snark right after mine. Coincidence maybe but you do seem to hop right on it as soon as I post. Hell, two of you did. You also didn't reply to anybody else so one has to wonder.

[AwesomeJr44]

Right, so you just make a post with your typical snark right after mine. Coincidence maybe but you do seem to hop right on it as soon as I post. Hell, two of you did. You also didn't reply to anybody else so one has to wonder.

First of all, did you not see my post replying to Eara? It's not that far up the thread. It should even be on the same page as yours. Secondly, have you considered that maybe we just so happened to check the forums right after you posted? I mean, this time around I'm 50m late if I'm supposedly trying to stalk you or whatever. Oatmeal my guy, I honestly don't care about you enough to check for your posts specifically. I'm interested in the thread, not specifically you. As for my snark... well then, guilty as charged

[thegreatonemal]

First of all, did you not see my post replying to Eara? It's not that far up the thread. It should even be on the same page as yours. Secondly, have you considered that maybe we just so happened to check the forums right after you posted? I mean, this time around I'm 50m late if I'm supposedly trying to stalk you or whatever. Oatmeal my guy, I honestly don't care about you enough to check for your posts specifically. I'm interested in the thread, not specifically you. As for my snark... well then, guilty as charged

Do you need a moment to look up the meaning of the word coincidence? Sounds like you're reading too much into it. You should stop. I said snark but as wrong as you've consistently been at it. Something something I wish I had the confidence of a mediocre...
You seem to take an interest in me I wasn't even replying to you and you swoop in outta nowhere whenever I have posted here in these past few days.

You also didn't address anything from the last post. Considering that is the topic we're discussing I find that strange. Nah, no interest at all from you, just couldn't be.

[AwesomeJr44]

Do you need a moment to look up the meaning of the word coincidence? Sounds like you're reading too much into it. You should stop. I said snark but as wrong as you've consistently been at it. Something something I wish I had the confidence of a mediocre...
You seem to take an interest in me I wasn't even replying to you and you swoop in outta nowhere whenever I have posted here in these past few days.

You also didn't address anything from the last post. Considering that is the topic we're discussing I find that strange. Nah, no interest at all from you, just couldn't be.

Buddy, I'm sorry that I have to be the one who needs to tell you this, but... you're not someone special that I singled out. I saw a post (yours) that disagreed with mine, and I replied to it. As is my right to do. The only reason I'm continuing to reply to you in particular is that out of the people here I disagree with, you're the one responding.I'd rather respond to people who disagree with me as there is more opportunity for a discussion, and you're the one who happens to be responding. If Eara was responding as much as you are, I'd be speaking with them. I'm checking in on the thread every 15m or so hoping that someone else comes in that I can talk to, but it seems like it's literally just you responding every time. Isn't responding shortly after someone else stalking them? I thought I remember you saying that... So why are you still responding to my posts then? Are you stalking me? O_O

Also, I didn't respond to your points as they completely assume that Meteion has the ability to make her song stronger than it was, and I didn't feel like responding with 'nice headcanon'. But seeing as you want a response, nice headcanon. When I brought up my faith in Ancient's ability to succeed, at least that was based on what we've seen of them. There's no evidence that Meteion's song can be emitted at a higher strength. Also, Zodiark doesn't prevent Dynamis from existing on the planet, it prevents it from getting in. It's a shield, not a dynamis death zone. If it was, the Elpis flower we find in Labyrinthos wouldn't be functional. If the Ancients found someone as devoted to Dynamis as Hermes, which logically there would be one, they could make a new Meteion. Meteion didn't seem to require 12k years worth of aether to travel the stars did she? No she didn't, thus new Meteion could make the journey if designed to do so using Dynamis like Meteion 1.0 was.

You can respond to me if you want, but if you don't want me to reply in a timely manner, maybe don't. And btw, I wear 'snarky' as a badge of honor, so thank you very much

[thegreatonemal]

We've been through this, so there's no point in trying to go over it again with you. You take particular notice when I post you could have easily simply not said anything. I wasn't even talking to you at the time I suppose its your headcanon that you think I think I'm special Never had a fanfic made of me, kinda weird.

Ummm, ever single one of your what ifs has been headcanon. Nothing you suggested in your last few post is support by the actual game. Nice your faith is has such power it can change the lore!

They couldn't they didn't, they didn't even want to attempt.
Theres no evidence that it couldn't be enhanced, you're just going off the fact that she didn't(for narrative purposes most like).

If they found someone as Hermes put it dyanmis is an esoteric study and due to it's nature of not really being able to be studied properly its been pretty much dropped. You've no evidence within the game of anybody picking it up or showing any kind of interest. Again, you keep making up what ifs.

Again, they have no idea how she was made and you're still forgetting that Hermes is standing right there, he's not just gonna sit by and chances are they are gonna go to him for help in the first place to which sabotage abound. You also forgot to address the how they avoid being turned into monsters part. The whole "Make a new Meteion" thing is the most common thing people come up with and it's just not feasible.

Their inexperience with dyanmis, the fickle nature of it and the inability to test it, just means that plan if it came about was doomed to failure. Unless you can demonstrate with the lore presented their ability to have a greater control than Hermes did when he made Meteion, which isn't much he only made her with dyanims to aid in travel and to communicate with the life she would encounter. Then that entire headcanon of yours is dead in the water. We've been over not making stuff up.

[AwesomeJr44]

you could have easily simply not said anything.

But I want to and I can.

I wasn't even talking to you at the time

Just because you weren't talking to me doesn't mean I can't talk to you.

Nothing you suggested in your last few post is support by the actual game.

Lots of stuff can't be proven by the game. That's why I use logic to fill the holes the game hasn't.

they didn't even want to attempt.

To not want to attempt something, you must first know what it is you're not attempting to do. The Ancients were not told about the space bird, and neither were Venat's followers.

Theres no evidence that it couldn't be enhanced

There isn't evidence that she can, nor is there evidence that could be used to make an argument that she could.

If they found someone as Hermes put it dyanmis is an esoteric study and due to it's nature of not really being able to be studied properly its been pretty much dropped. You've no evidence within the game of anybody picking it up or showing any kind of interest.

The Ancients were not given the information that Dynamis was important. Hermes in Elpis states that Dynamis is not studied because why use Dynamis when you can use Aether instead? If Hermes was able to make a Meteion as a pet project when there was no need to study it, it would make logical sense that if there was a sufficient desire to do so, it would be very possible.

you're still forgetting that Hermes is standing right there

Kill him or lock him up and throw away the key. Hermes himself mentions he's not the only Dynamis scientist out there.

You also forgot to address the how they avoid being turned into monsters part.

Design it with a driving emotion of hope. And if it gets turned on the first few attempts design it with a kill switch.

Their inexperience with dyanmis, the fickle nature of it and the inability to test it, just means that plan if it came about was doomed

If it's impossible then how did Hermes make a functioning Meteion. Keep in mind that the convocation has at least TWELVE THOUSAND YEARS. That's plenty of time to get VERY familiar with something.

Unless you can demonstrate with the lore presented their ability to have a greater control than Hermes did when he made Meteion

Prove they can't with 12k years or more to experiment. You can't because the game doesn't specifically say that or anything like that. With that in mind, I refer to what logically makes sense.

But oh boy! I'm responding again! I'm such a stalker! Excuse me while my eyes roll out of my sockets.